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Welcome welcome to this edition of at the mic. I'm your host Keith Malinak I can take that banner off now because now we're here. So that it's good Just checking just checking some things here. Okay, just making sure microphone camera check Again, I'm your host Keith Malinak. If you're not familiar we do this every Thursday and Friday at 3 p.m Eastern here on my ex I'll call it a channel

I don't know my ex page. We do two very different types of shows during the week. On Thursdays like today, we do a deep dive into a topic we have a guest on. And this is going to be the third appearance for our guest today. And I will bring her in here in just a moment. Today we're going to talk about Operation PatCon. Or is it Operation Arctic Frost as a

as was making the news earlier this week, a very interesting time that we live in, right? On Fridays, we try to loosen things up a little bit around here. Brad and Rebecca are typically my guests, try to have a little, add some lightheartedness to otherwise heavy world. And boy, has it been a heavy world in the past eight days. My goodness. Just we were trying to remember a great man, Charlie Kirk, in the

absolute horrific events of last Wednesday in Utah. Please continue to pray for his wife and his kids. you know, it's just a horrible, horrible thing that took place there, the taking of his life. But while already we're seeing some good come out of it with thousands of TPUSA chapters starting up, I saw a story that

suggested there was about a 15 % spike nationwide in church attendance on Sunday following his murder. And perhaps it'll stick. Let's hope so. So again, continue to pray for Erica Kirk and those two beautiful children of theirs. All the episodes, if you missed, because last week we did do a lot of discussion on Charlie Kirk on both the Thursday and Friday shows. All the shows are available for the format of your choosing.

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She's joined us for two previous conversations. If you didn't see Operation Gladio, part one and part two, like I said, it's pinned to the top here, also at themikeshow.com. She has a wealth of knowledge and she shares it with us. And the Operation Gladio conversation, if you're not familiar with that, that's the unholy alliance between the Vatican, the mob, and your taxpayer funded CIA.

There's a lot of information that covered two shows. Today's show may go over as well. We might have to have her back to continue this conversation. But before I bring her in here, Colonel Towner Watkins, I want to play a clip because she and I scheduled this conversation months ago. And then lo and behold, something made the news just two days ago in a Senate hearing when Chuck Grassley

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made mention of something that we should all be familiar with. And so she then texted me and said, operation PAC con that we're going to talk about on Thursday. Yeah, that's, that's operation Arctic frost as well. So, here we go. In case you missed a Chuck Grassley just two days ago. total, 92 Republican targets, including Republican groups and Republican linked individuals.

were placed under investigative scope of Arctic frost on that political list was one of Charlie Kirk's groups, turning point USA. other words, Arctic frost wasn't just a case to politically investigate Trump. It was the vehicle by which partisan FBI agents.

and Department of Justice prosecutors could achieve their partisan ends and improperly investigate the entire Republican political apparatus. Okay, I think you're going to get a lot more information than that here from our guest. Let me finally bring her in here. Hello, Colonel Roxanne Towner Watkins. Hello. Be sure to follow her. Let me see here.

Let me see if I made a banner for you. You what I need to do? Let me get your rumble channel up there on rumble. Look for her at the Colonel's Corner. And if you if you want the the address there, it's rumble.com slash C hyphen four two three two six two because rumble is all about the streamlining rumble.com slash C dash four two three two six two. Go follow the Colonel's Corner.

And when you get over there, the page looks a little something like this. That's what you're looking for. Great stuff over there. My goodness. You get into some topics over there at the Colonel.

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And I would tell people if you go to the desktop version of it under playlists, they're all organized because we do themed topics and we do book reviews. so all of that is related to Operation Gladio. And so you can go through an entire book with me in multi clips of the book where we

Even books like William Bloom's book called Killing Hope, it's all about the overthrows of government, but nowhere in there does he actually mention Operation Gladio. He mentions the CIA and them overthrowing governments, and they do it through that vehicle. So there's a lot of books out there that most people don't realize are directly tied to Operation Gladio. They just don't have that word attached to them. But once you understand what it is, it's very easy to find those books. And we kind of go through them and

talk about that.

Well, two quick questions for you. I think the last time you were on, we had some internet difficulties that I'm having flashbacks because it's little choppy right now. And what was happening when you were on is Starlink was under attack. And so I just hope that's not the case right now. It looks like it's leveled off a little bit there. But we heard everything you said. I do have a sincere question. It's going to sound like I'm joking, but I'm being completely sincere.

How long, how much time do you give people to read and join you for these books? For someone like me, as a very slow reader and distracted by way too many things in my life, including, ironically, this webpage right here, X. How much time you give in a slow readers to keep pace with you on these book stuff?

Speaker 1 (08:34.99)
That's the beauty of listening to them. You don't have to have any knowledge of the book at all. I take you through the entire book. And so I have lots of people that do their gardening while they're listening to the

AHAHA

Speaker 2 (08:49.834)
Okay, so you're reading the books.

I'm not necessarily reading it. I take my own notes from the book. I do additional research. I look through the footnotes of the book, and I bring all of that to you with over 100 other books. So for example, if I'm reading William Bloom's book, and he's talking about the overthrow of the Guatemalan government, I will tell you who all of the CIA agents are that were involved in that. And I will also tell you

Okay.

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the companies that are behind it who had resource aspirations in that country and why they did it.

Okay, I mean good all the players involved because I mean it's been good grief. I I think I mentioned it last time you're on I mean Grover Cleveland did what he could to Help Hawaii out, but he couldn't be president forever. There have been nefarious interests Running our government behind the scenes and so many manipulative ways for so long now Okay, where do you want to start with operation Pat con and and operation Arctic frost?

How far back does this go? Is it seamless in its connection with Operation Gladio? You take the floor and you start however you want to here.

So obviously I'm watching Chuck Bratsley and I'm listening to him describe our Dick Frost and I'm like, that's PatCon. That's exactly what they did in PatCon. And PatCon, even if you can find it on the, you can't find an in-depth look at it on normal search engine.

No, few results, yes.

Speaker 1 (10:40.876)
Yeah, so because they don't want you to understand all of the connections that PACCON provides to modern day life. But here's the most interesting thing that you will not find anybody that will point this out. Do you know who was in the House of Representatives when PACCON was revealed as being a thing? Chuck Grassley.

See he's been there since 1981 so so okay all right unless you got my appetite wet let's go

Okay, so I did a post a couple of days ago when he made that speech and I went through every single congressman that is currently or House or Senate that is currently sitting up there and whether or not they were in office when PatCon was revealed. You will not hear anyone talk about PatCon, number one, to establish a track record. And number two, you won't hear anybody talk about

all of the same people being there like Nancy Pelosi, who know good and well, this is not the first time our government has came after a political side of the aisle. And what's most interesting about this is in the 60s and 70s, it was the other side of the aisle they were after. And we all know that. We know that they infiltrated all of the Vietnam anti-war groups.

We know that they impl... And this was the CIA, not just the FBI. The CIA was involved in infiltrating student groups. They're not allowed to operate on US soil. And they have perpetually done that, and we know that.

Speaker 2 (12:27.758)
So, so, all right, this gets revealed in the 80s. Iran Contra is, is that what you telling me before we started? said, does this go back to Oklahoma City? And you're like, no, no, it goes back to Iran Contra.

So let's dig in and find out where they overlap.

you follow her y'all follow her right here see that fancy graphic I'm at Colonel Towner on that so I got that right right.

Yes, you do.

All right, so from 1991, and keep in mind, just because I like to correlate this to who's in office, right? Because it's always very important. So we had Bush, is, know, CIA himself. From 88 to 92. So this was all started under President Bush. And it goes into Clinton's.

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President. Yes sir.

Speaker 1 (13:25.858)
which is why I say it's two wings of the same bird. Okay, so the FBI began Operation Patagon, which is short for patriot conspiracy. This is the very beginning of labeling white nationalistic type people that are conservatives and patriots.

as terrorists.

So is this Bush trying to keep the right flank of his base under control?

So yes, so we've already labeled the domestic terrorist on the far left. Now we have to create the domestic terrorist narrative on the far right. Because if you go back to the Hegelian dialect, you have to have a far left and a far right. And that is used to terrorize people, to push people into the middle, ask for bigger government and be controlled. If you don't have both flanks,

then you're not in control of the people. And you can't justify having a much bigger government if it's always one side. So you have to create a narrative of both sides being evil so that people don't ever want to be called a nationalist and people don't ever want to be called a communist.

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right. Yeah, I just gonna say, yeah, I'm sorry. I just think this is a good point here because you'd be surprised how many people think that Ruby Ridge was Clinton. Uh, that was George HW Bush. And that's a good reminder there from major Sarge.

So.

is short for patriot conspiracy. They used it primarily to frame white Christian nationalist. That's kind of the focus of this. was primarily three FBI undercover agents posing as an extremist group and they even created their own extremist group called Veterans

Aryan movement, completely made up out of whole cloth. So there's another organization that was called Civilian Materiel Assistance. Now, I'm going to go into that at some point in a little bit more depth, but you're going to see it has all the attributes of actually being a CIA front. And the Texas Light Infantry,

Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:17.226)
and the American Pistol and Rifle Association. Those are kind of the big players in this. FBI agents went around the country to various patriot organizations and basically kind of ingratiated themselves into that whole ecosystem. They spent millions of dollars

and untold amount of man hours, including hiring informants and all kinds of different extended networks in order to pull this operation off. It basically netted not a whole lot.

Does it ever.

But as you pointed out with Ruby Ridge and Waco and Oklahoma, it provided the narrative that they needed to frame those as white Christian extremists. So while in and of itself, it didn't net anything, it netted big time institutional changes

by framing the things that happen as a result of that.

Speaker 2 (17:40.918)
Yeah, public perception, right?

Correct. Which is why Pac-Con being the foundation for those three things is never talked about. Only thing that's ever talked about is those three events. But the foundation of those three events are Pac-Con.

The Patriot Movement.

at several points during this early 1990s was very much aware of their organizations being infiltrated by Feds, which in and of itself is a helpful thing for the Feds and kind of a reverse psychological because it radicalizes people further against their government. So if their entire premise is our government is corrupt, which it is,

and they have this paranoia of their organizations being infiltrated by the Fed, it actually rationalizes and justifies their foundational premise that our government's corrupt.

Speaker 2 (18:52.588)
Yeah

So, and they're very aware of this, which is why they do it. So there's an increasing paranoia of the members occurring during the early 90s. And it says one of the people was quoted as saying, I think they played a lot of us against each other. The guys hated them even more for it. It's like big brother moving in on it.

So this is literally the effect that they want. Several of the

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (19:35.882)
ideological premises actually get introduced by some of these informants and kind of like trying to provoke them towards action. Just like the Gretchen Whitmer operation, where informants are supposed to be bystanders observing what's going on, when in fact what you find when you actually

finally get information on the operation, you find that they're the actual agitators in it. They're the ones providing the plan. They're the ones that's providing the weapons for the plan. They're not just informants. So,

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (20:25.358)
Much of what has been written focuses on the fact that the Pat-Con must be predicated on specific suspected crimes. So they needed to have an actual excuse for even launching the operation. And basically what you find out is their justification

or launching it, it was launched in Texas, was between Austin and San Antonio. And what their actual justification was is threats on FBI agents. But within the timeframe of it still operating, that piece falls apart. There was no actual physical threat. So the entire premise of PacCon was based on a lie.

Isn't it always?

but it didn't stay focused just on the threat to the FBIs because of course almost immediately that starts falling apart. And then they start widening the scope of it because of some meeting that they had where some guy was overheard saying this or saying that. And so,

It just basically takes on a life of its own.

Speaker 2 (21:58.766)
And that's, I mean, going back to Ruby Ridge, I mean, that's the whole Randy Weaver thing. I mean, you got an FBI agent and you could throw a dart at a wall and pick any of these operations where they got him to shorten that weapon, that gun, setting up the whole justification for going there and murdering half his family.

So he didn't actually shorten the gun. He bought a short gun. And it was sold to him knowing that it was an illegal gun. And then the FBI, ATF, used that purchase to blackmail him into being an informant on the Aryan nation who he was just occasionally visited. He wasn't a member. He wasn't affiliated with it.

He just knew people and was a trusted person of them. So they wanted to coerce him into being an informant. And when he refused to do that, they didn't arrest him in town. They didn't arrest him any other place, but the siege on his compound so that they could create the narrative that they created.

And you won't be at all surprised to find out that one of the agents involved in PacCon was there present on the sniper team.

I mean, that sounds like Waco too. mean, this is...

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So one of the guys that was at Ruby Ridge was at Wake Up.

Yeah, I'm not surprised at all.

Yeah. And of course, we're going to get to it, but an element of a Fort Hood Patriot group of former Fort Hood soldiers that was living in the local area ends up being instrumental in PACCON. And every one of them was part of the federal

group orchestrating PatCon pretending to be a patriot group, another front group, and you wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that Fort Hood is the governmental entity that supplied all of the military equipment to include two sniper teams to wake up.

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Cool.

And even more important, the commander at Fort Hood at the time of Waco was General Wesley Clark. He was to be the NATO commander in charge of the Bosnia Operation Gladius.

Under Clinton, yeah, gosh, okay.

Once you understand Operation Gladio, it's a very small world.

Yeah, yeah, I bet. Okay, so we're in the 90s here. From my perspective, for the longest time, I'll say, Waco was just a way to kind of thwart any kind of Republican opposition that the Clinton administration may have been facing. And it was a way to say, hey,

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I'm sorry, Oklahoma City. It's a way to say, boy, that crazy Rush Limbaugh, that conservative talk radio, look what it leads to. But you're saying it's much deeper than just Bill Clinton versus Rush Limbaugh and talk radio. This goes back before Clinton with tentacles.

to attack the quote unquote far right, you had to create narratives of white nationalist, which is Ruby Ridge, Christianity, which even though an odd version of it was Waco, because that was a Christian cult, and domestic terrorism, which is Timothy McVeigh. You need all three of them. You can't have one without the other without the other.

in order to paint all white nationalist Christians as terrorists.

Yeah, that's good. I want to write that down. But I can't find my little mini whiteboard. What were the three again? Say it again.

Ruby Ridge was white nationalism. Waco was Christianity. Calt and Oklahoma was domestic terrorism. And you need all three of those elements moving forward in order to create the Hegelian dialect. We already established the far left in the 60s and 70s.

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Huh?

Speaker 2 (26:49.016)
Got it. got it. Yep.

Speaker 1 (27:02.164)
Now we've established the far right.

I'll tell you

Speaker 1 (27:12.898)
Just a little bit about the interagency conflict and how all these pieces work together. One of the investigations carried out by PatCon involved the theft of night vision goggles from Fort Hood in Texas, which was also the subject of Army Criminal Investigation Unit. To preserve the undercover operation, the FBI delayed sharing information with the Army team investigating the theft.

which subsequently launched its own undercover operation against some of the exact same targets. PACCON's direct contribution to the ultimate prosecution was basically zero. But the episode illustrates the challenges of coordinating the undercover operations with the entire. So basically they're operating side by side. The FBI knows the Army's investigating.

but they want to use the narrative of that theft in their PACCON to try to attribute that theft to a PACCON entity so they don't tell the Army that they're using it as part of their operation.

So when these kind of operations are taking place during these presidential administrations, whether it be George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and so on, how high is the discussion of Operation PatCon? How high up the chain, or is this a deep state thing?

So in my research, all of these operations, especially the ones that involve the CIA and especially the ones that involve the CIA domestically are all ran out of the National Security Council. There is a small group and they normally actually even have a name at the National Security Council that directs all of this. And that was proven in, well, it's proven in all of them, but

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Specifically, since we're going to talk about it today, the Iran Contra was 100 % ran out of the National Security Council. The CIA's role in it, the ATS role in it, the DEA's role in it, and the FBI's role in it, and they all had a role.

So that's what I'm trying to, and maybe each case is different. I'm trying to figure out if these are directives that are, I guess there's three options. One, a president never knows what's going on behind the scenes. As I was going to say, or number two, it's happening and they're just kind of brought in on the loop, or number three, it's from the top down. Hey, what can we do to achieve this in? Oh, well, let me tell you about Operation PatCon.

They always know.

Speaker 1 (30:09.294)
So it depends. In the example of the overthrow of the Chilean government, it was actually Nixon that was approached by ITT, Anaconda Mining, and PepsiCo. And he was actually offered money to overthrow the government. So some of them end up like that. Some of them, for plausible deniability,

The members, his secretary of state and the national security advisor are approached and they do it here, but every single one of those, because there's not in the secret intermeetings, there's not notes taken. So one of the designated national security council members,

is the official guy that's the intermediary to the president. They don't ever not know. But most of the time, there's a paper trail to them knowing.

There's no rest.

Yeah, see, I live my life with Post-It notes as you've seen in show after show after show. So I've got a paper trail for everything in my life or else I would forget it. I would be the worst president for multiple reasons, but one of them because I would forget one meeting that I had five seconds after it was over.

Speaker 1 (31:31.79)
Yeah. Okay. So moving on. Um, so at the beginning of this, um, it was assessed by the FBI and their informants that all of the groups that they initially infiltrated was 99 % talkers and 1 % potential doers, but no one that ever actually contemplated doing anything.

There was.

always instigated by the government.

There was never any talk of actually doing anything initially. So, PatCon, however, was based on threat reports that the FBI continued to generate because you have to re-up the threat every 180 days. You have to resubmit for funding because if you spend all of this money,

in 180 days, you don't have anything. If you don't have documentation of additional information that warrants leaving it open, they close it. so, yeah. So, continually, they were adding stuff to it from quote unquote informants, but always under the mask of this imminent threat that even by the informants that were later interviewed said that

Speaker 2 (32:41.39)
Wow.

Speaker 1 (33:00.866)
didn't exist.

So is that written and maybe I'm putting you on the spot here, but is that written into statute? Is that just an unspoken rule that if we can't justify this operation every six months, it automatically closes?

The FBI rules.

Speaker 1 (33:22.318)
That's their process.

Always gotta have a boogie man.

Right. So,

And now we know why! It's because it'll cut off funding if we don't have a boogeyman.

Yes. So just kind of to bring in Timothy McVeigh. In 1993, Timothy McVeigh left Buffalo, New York, which was basically his hometown. And he had already been in the military. He joined in 88. He was in the Gulf War.

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a marksman. He tried to join special forces, but he didn't meet the physical requirements. So he left the army and temporarily moved back to New York, but then finds his way down to the Miami area because his sister was living down there. And the Patriot movement at the time was small and basically

consisted of localized, kind of geographically separated, not really intertwining networks as you might imagine it is today. One of the aspects which comes, it pops up every single domestic CIA back, gladio looking entity that I look into is this famous thing called the Turner Diaries.

And if you know anything about the Turner Diaries, it basically paints this onerous federal government that any day is going to take away every single one of your rights. And if we don't take the government down, we're all going to end up as serfs, one world government, that type thing.

I've never heard of the Turner Diaries. sounds incredible. No, and I read up on a lot of this stuff. What's my problem?

You've never heard of it?

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up every single one of these stories. So it was written in 1978 by William Pierce. He of course was a white nationalist. McVeigh's first encounter according to him was in 1988 around the time that he enlisted in the army. He goes on to participate in gun shows which is a recruiting

place for CIA, by the way. And at the gun shows where he's selling guns legally, he is also selling the book, The Turner Diaries. And just so that you know, it's almost like, hey, I'm one of them. So if you go through a gun show, and I don't know how many gun shows, I used to go to them all the time. I've seen this book. It's almost like a sign for people in this club.

If you've got that book on your table, you're one of them.

Wow. if, and that's, I think you just answered my question. So I was just about to say, when I'm at a gun show, how do I know it's a CIA agent? Is it the guy with the Turner Diaries now who's trying to-

Yes, now that I know what I know, that's my clear indication that you need to stay away from that table.

Speaker 2 (36:51.438)
That's incredible. Okay.

So the Turner Diaries was described as a white insurrection against the US government culminating in a Holocaust. McVeigh would later tell people that he was attracted to it for its anti-government message and that it appealed to anyone that had animus against the government.

whether you were a white nationalist or not, although it did focus on race. So the Turner Diaries introduced a concept of a secret cabal promoting a white only agenda known as the order. Now what's very interesting about that is that's the exact same name for the skull and bones order. It is also

very well known in the Order of Nine Angles and the anti-fascist movement called The Order. The whole trans thing, all of this. They share this common language which makes me suspect that a lot of the modern day elements of this is all traced back to this same kind of government-driven narrative.

of. This fictional order describes initiation rituals and and again that's just like skull and bones. And and of course from my perspective the international syndicate is primarily made up initially of skull and bones. That's where you find the bushes, that's where you find the Taft family,

Speaker 1 (38:48.234)
A lot of the luminaries of this global order was birthed out of the skull and bones the order. So it's just crazy that this keeps popping up. The real order like its fictional counterpart was in a battle with the U.S. government and

obviously was demonstrated as we've talked about in Waco, Texas. And it said that one of the clearest examples of power of the idea behind the order was a white supremacist group known as the Veterans Arian Movement, which was a group of former soldiers based in Texas. That's the one that's basically has the government behind it. It's completely fiction. Not that it wasn't real.

but it was a government front.

Okay.

So basically their philosophy was that you needed to raise money by robbing banks and that the money created the war chest for you to purchase arms and equipment to build your little cell stash of weapons, which again has all the hallmarks of Operation Gladio because if you follow Operation Gladio throughout Europe,

Speaker 1 (40:15.342)
A lot of them were involved in bank robberies. In addition to getting money from the CIA and all of these other things, they robbed banks because they had this entire cache of weapons at their disposal to include explosives and had been trained on it by the CIA.

So when drug running and our tax dollars aren't enough, then the plan C is Rob Banks.

Yes, yes, exactly. So the veteran Aryan movement had a secret, one that it concealed from even its closest allies. The organization was completely invented by the FBI and one of its lead members was an actual FBI agent.

The code, let's see. Now we're gonna get to one of the most fascinating aspects of this from my perspective. The civilian material assistant. McVeigh's first stop in Plantation, Florida, which again is down by Miami, which is where his sister lived, was to set up shop at gun shows in the local area.

McVeigh had begun regularly attending shows as a buyer before he had been in the Army and now dressed in his desert DCUs, he was selling it and the Turner Diaries. McVeigh drew the notice of another seller at a show, again, Turner Diary on the table, who was also a...

Speaker 1 (42:02.168)
had a very weird background. His name, let's see.

Speaker 1 (42:11.896)
What's his name? Roger Moore. Roger Moore was the owner of a mail order ammunition company known as the Candy Store. All right. Moore traveled to gun shows all over the country, but he also had aliases, which is my first clue that he's CIA. He used Bob Miller, Colonel Bob Anderson, Bob from Arkansas, and Arkansas Bob.

okay.

Speaker 2 (42:42.19)
So crazy.

Or had not only a girlfriend who lived on his ranch in Arkansas, but he had a wife that lived in southern Florida. But he introduced her as his sister.

That's a roundabout way. Introduce her where? his, okay.

He didn't introduce him as, didn't introduce her as his wife. He described himself as a millionaire that had retired and just opened the candy store, you know, to help people out. So under his alias of Bob Miller, Moore had been involved

in the patriot organization called the Civilian Material Assistance, which organized volunteer efforts as anti-communist, which is code name for Operation Gladio during the 1980s. He was a, he partnered with a former Marine by the name of Thomas Posey. And Posey is intimately involved through all of Operation PacCon.

Speaker 2 (44:02.796)
I mean, that's one thing that kind of a common thread and a lot of the things that you have taught us over the episodes is that if you sell your plot as, dude, if you want to stop communism, if you love your country, you're have to get on board with this plan. I mean, and think back to the Cold War. It wouldn't have been that tough to convince

Otherwise good people. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Yeah.

to fight communism. But when they use the word anti-communism, to me, my ears perk up. Because you and I would not refer to, in this case, Posey actually creates a anti-communist militia. You and I would not call it anti-communist. You would call it something patriotic or whatever.

Mmm.

Speaker 1 (45:01.966)
When they use the word specifically anti-communist, to me, it doesn't all the time apply. But generally speaking, if you do searches on the internet under the words anti-communist and militia, you're going to find a lot of gladiator, like 99 % gladiator. So that's what Posey did. Posey set up an anti-communist militia, which you're going to see.

is where iran contra comes in because you know we were fighting the communist down there okay

So that would be my question and I don't want to take you off your trail here, but does something like an Iran Contra Does that start with Ronald Reagan? Does it get to Ronald Reagan?

I'm so grateful you ever think about Irene Contra.

Speaker 2 (45:58.67)
I'm not going.

Starting in September of 1983, during Reagan's presidency and Mr. CIA as vice president, Posey began shuttling shipments of clothing. They were labeled as clothing and food from Alabama to Central America to assist the Contras in their fight against the Sandinista government. What's really important about that is it was Alabama

National Guard that supplied the pilots to go down to Guatemala and train the CIA prior Cuban exiles to fly mission bombing missions into Cuba. Alabama is a hotspot for recruiting people for Iran-Contra and CIA activities involving Latin America.

For whatever reason, I don't know why, but I come across Alabama a lot. So.

Well.

Speaker 1 (47:09.516)
Some former members of the organization said the aid was humanitarian while others insisted it was weapons. And aid to Oliver North, the Marine Lieutenant Colonel on the National Security Council provided the CMA direction, which tells me again that it's a CIA front.

because he is directing the activity of this organization. The group had contact with others in the US government. There is a series of connections to military intelligence and CIA officials that still remain murky because they're still classified. A civilian lawsuit over the group's alleged illegal activities ended with

one million dollar judgment in favor of the CMA and they were even awarded because there were allegations made against the CIA or against the CMA that they were actually in it and they did win the lawsuit but that's not unusual when you're dealing with CIA because they classify everything and there's no way to prove that they're doing it.

There were so many allegations against them being a CIA front that there was actually a lawsuit filed to expose it.

So.

Speaker 1 (48:42.358)
The CMA members had other interests that kept them in touch. Posey provided, he even tried to get them to create a political party that was so pro-American and patriotic that people would not vote against it. That was voted down. The CMA members began arresting suspected illegal immigrants at the Arizona-Mexico border.

They got in trouble with law enforcement for doing that. After the Iran-Contra program was exposed to the public and closed down by congressional investigations, Posey reconfigured the CMA as a survivalist group that was opposed to US government and basically began the refocusing.

Hmm

Speaker 1 (49:39.862)
set up as a CIA front to provide aid to the Contras. Now that that's been exposed, I'm going to refocus it to right-wing extremist groups. And it's the exact same people in the exact same organization.

So let's say that you're a, and maybe it's a different answer in the 80s and 90s than it is today, but let's just say, you know what? I've had it with this government. want to join a, let's say you want to join a, a Aryan nation type group or a militia, anything that is at odds with the federal government to the point where I want to separate myself from the government, what that looks like.

a militia.

Speaker 2 (50:27.564)
We'll figure that out at the meetings, right? What percentage are actually legitimate groups and what percentage are actually just seeded by the federal government itself?

So I would say 100 % of them have been infiltrated.

Whether they started with the government or have just been compromised by the government.

are 100 % out of whole cloth, the government.

Are they at the meetings looking at each other like, wait a minute, I know you're CIA. Do you know I'm CIA?

Speaker 1 (51:05.582)
But a lot of them don't know that because

That's what I'm saying. They're at these meetings. They don't know who's who.

Well, and that was illustrated, right? We've already covered that. Some people go to these meetings and yeah. So you're only read in on your role. You do not know who else is at that meeting that's even on your side. And because of the competition between the FBI and the CIA. Right. Yes. Yeah.

So my advice is don't join those organizations. And that's the exact reason why they do this. Because they don't want us collectively organizing effective resistance to the overreach of the government. And so if they can set the premise up that every one of these organizations is infiltrated, you and I are never going to join a group that has legitimate

joint interest in opposing a particular aspect of our government, not like insurrectionists, we want to overthrow the government. But that was kind of my whole problem with the creation after 9-11 of the Tea Party. So there

Speaker 2 (52:27.407)
I was just about to throw in the tea party. Yeah, go ahead.

Yeah, so my big complaint and I know you're affiliated with this, so you'll find this funny. I wrote letter after letter after letter to Glenn Beck. I didn't know anything about Operation Gladio. When he created the 912, his big selling feature was it was localized grassroots efforts. There has never been a localized grassroots effort without a leader.

that has effectively done anything significant. If you cannot build an organization with a leader like MAGA with Donald Trump, you have absolutely no ability to affect change. It takes a charismatic leader that is dedicated to the mission in order to focus people onto achievable goals. Now, obviously you run the risk of it being infiltrated.

But if your goals are noble and you're not literally a white nationalist group or some other type of organization, and you really truly have 10 objectives that's gonna make the country better, where you can mobilize people towards those goals, like clean voter rolls or whatever, and you assign tasks out from a military officer who has done war planning campaigns, you.

to have a leader.

Speaker 2 (53:58.574)
I mean, let's take everyone back to April of 2009 and you've got the formation of the Tea Party groups. I don't think, I know that those were organic at the start. know the guy who started the Charleston, South Carolina Tea Party. We had a huge event where I was like the MC. It was a big event.

All the people that were organizing that from the ground up were really good people. And I do know that one of the guys who I'm still friends with became disenchanted with it years later. at the time, I was thinking, because I had actually moved away from Charleston and worked for Glenn up in New York. And so I wasn't really connected to him anymore. And it just sounded like an internal power struggle.

So my question for you is now that we know what we know, I'm just again, I'm just asking for your best guess here. Do think it was an internal power struggle of people who originally were trying to build a conservative anti-tax movement or did the tea parties perhaps get infiltrated by our lovely government and the Obama administration?

So the Tea Party had all the aspirations of nationwide change for the better of America on an individual level. again, this, because you don't have a centralized structure that can run security for you, do background checks and do all of those things.

you are right for being infiltrated and a lot of the internal division of many of the tea parties and I'll talk about the one here in central Florida. I was not here during that time. But I know from people who were leading the effort here in central Florida, they were very much infiltrated by what they refer to as rhinos who were not at all interested in upsetting the apple cart of

Speaker 1 (56:13.996)
bloated voter rolls and all of the things that allow the rhino machine on the Republican side to stay in power.

So was this an infiltration, a power struggle within the Republican Party or was this more of a concerted effort from say the Obama administration?

It depends location wise and how effective they are. So some of them were not as effective as others. The more effective you are, the bigger target you're going to be.

Yeah, and let's not forget the Obama administration used a lot of the members, got a hold of the members' names that belonged to these Tea Party groups and made their lives miserable and made these groups' lives miserable through the IRS, through lawfare going after them.

which is exactly to the heart of PACCON. The entire operation was to dismantle and label as extreme any concerted effort for patriots to get together. So it falls right in line with that, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (57:28.642)
So.

Along the lines of the CMA and the CIA's involvement in this, the new version of the CMA, guess where they have one of their very first annual conventions? Soldier of Fortune Magazine, which is 100 % a CIA front.

nice! You know again not knowing all of this stuff and not looking through this prism 10, 20, 30 years ago you know the I guess I don't know for lack of a better terminology the punch line or whatever it becomes so much more obvious you know what I'm saying like like when you when you're like now I get it yeah.

you have your glasses on?

Speaker 1 (58:20.896)
So now reading through these things, even if I, and I had come across PatCon and I don't even remember where it was several years ago, but just in a fleeting thing. And of course I didn't know anything about operation Gladio. So whatever I would have read would have not meant anything to me. Once you understand how Gladio works and the use of these front organization and

Right, right.

Speaker 1 (58:47.886)
You have a more well-read idea of the apparatuses that's been set up inside the United States that are basically used to CIA fronts. Everything reads differently now.

Yeah, you gotta go back and read it again.

I have had to read, so I think I said in one of our first interviews, I have like 600 books before I ever bought the 110 that I have now on Just Operation Gladio. And I have literally had to go back and read some of them. And what's funny is because they're all biographies, they're all actual like the Iraq war, they're all nonfiction. You pick up tons of like Condoleezza Rice's book.

you find all kinds of little tidbits. Like I just read Frank Wisner's biography. And he actually even talks about creating stay behind units. He doesn't call it Gladio, but he talks about creating them in Algeria, in Albania.

I bet, how long does it take you to read a book? Because I'm guessing that you might catch a glimpse of something, and then you probably put a bookmark there and go to the Google or go to another Luxel.com. I appreciate that. You can set up the bias how you want it, if you want it at all. But I bet you read a couple pages, and you're like,

Speaker 2 (01:00:21.262)
Well, that sounds interesting. And then you go do some research and you get back. How much do you read at a time?

So it depends on the book. Some books, because I know a lot of the material, I can go now at the very beginning when I first read Paul Williams book, Operation Gladio, which was the first book, I've now reread that book three times. And every time I read it, I find some new aspect of it that wasn't as relevant to me when I read it the first two times.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55.278)
that kind of puts another piece, because now I've read, you know, 30 other books. And I've read Whitney Webb's two-volume book before any of this happened. It was on my shelf. One of my playlists is her two-volume book. I go through every page of that book, all 1,000 pages. And what was interesting in doing that after I had all of this knowledge is,

The fact that she is so good as a researcher and not one time does she ever mention Operation Gladio or its cousin Operation Condor, but she talks about every aspect of the entire operation on both the Gladio piece and

with talking about the drugs and the money laundering at the Vatican Bank and all of that stuff. And then the destabilization that happened under Operation Condor. And in one part of her book, she actually uses the word condor, but then specifically says it has nothing to do with Operation Condor, which is a flat out lie. It had everything to do with Operation Condor and the overthrow of the governments in Latin America. So I don't know why.

or how she could have done a thousand pages worth of research and not come across because I found it in another book. You know what I mean? So if I'm specifically digging into this, there's no way you could not have come across Operation Gladio. No way.

In that Paul Williams book, Operation Gladio, I listened to that at your suggestion. And if you want your worldview for the last 75 years to change overnight, listen to that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51.958)
Listen to that book. Yeah, so it's almost, I get the impression, and this is my own personal opinion, everybody's entitled to theirs. I get the impression that the use of the term Operation Gladio allows people, or the not use of it, allows people to shape your opinion in the way in which they want to shape it without you doing your own research.

And quite frankly, that's my biggest complaint about Mike Vins. Mike Vins knows all about Operation Gladio. I had a conversation with him. And after that, when I kept insisting that some new revelation he pretended that he discovered was, you know, like out of poleclop, I'm like, but you got that out of Paul Williams book. You know that because you read this or you read that. And he blocked me as a result of that. So.

No! You called him out!

So it's almost like people want to be gatekeepers and be the source of the knowledge as opposed to allowing people to do their own research. And again, not to keep bashing on him, his use on purpose of this thing called the blob, and he will never ever define the blob, right? He uses it all the time in his presentation, but he never defines it. Well, it's not a nebulous like jello thing that you throw at the wall.

That blob is what I refer to as the international syndicate. But the difference is I name every single company that's responsible for every one of these actions that I come across. And it is almost every single large corporation in America, in Britain, and the Netherlands, and Germany. Every single one of them has been behind all of this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47.232)
and even some in Israel. Today, the second largest weapons supplier to the narco state of Columbia is Israel. And no one will talk about that. Galil, actually, which is a gun that's produced in Israel, actually, at the beginning of Operation Condor goes to Columbia and sets up a manufacturing company.

as if they know they're gonna have a long-term use of gun manufacturing because we're about to embark on Operation Condor. So that's the difference. I will name every single entity that because none of what the CIA does is for the CIA itself. They are acting on behalf of these oligarchs that collectively make up a syndicate

Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42.734)
that has monopolized the resources around the world. They have never worked for the American government. They have worked for this syndicate 100 % of the time.

That's interesting.

So that's my soapbox.

No, that's cool. So where are we in our PatCon Arctic? And where the hell? Okay, I'm sorry. Where are they getting these? Like who sits around? In fact, Daguerre Bear had a great point. Gee, I can't see anything anymore. What did he say? Let's see. I don't know. Whoever's naming these deals. Let's see here. I don't know. Anyway.

Basically was saying like it sounds like it's a quest, know, from some nerd who, how do they come up with these, these names for these operations like PatCon and Arctic Frost?

Speaker 1 (01:06:39.8)
know. I mean, obviously, PatCon is patriot conspiracy. So that one's kind of self evident. And you go to like the Phoenix program. The Phoenix program is actually very descriptive. It is the Phoenix represents burning everything down and the ashes. And that's what they did in Vietnam. They burnt the entire country down. That's literally one of their mantras. And if you look at the use of fire,

in many of these countries where they destroy entire villages and cities, it is literally part of their operation to build back these consolidated areas where they contract people. And like in the Vietnam scenario, they literally burnt entire villages down, created these alternative villages with checkpoints, some of which even had moats around them.

So no one can come or go without being recorded. the CIA back in the 60s had a computer system that they were tracking everybody. They did it all in Operation Condor in Chile and Uruguay and Paraguay and Brazil. When we overthrew all of those governments, they literally used a tracking system almost like the smart ID that they're talking about now in America and in Europe. They use this, they know everything about it. They know exactly how to track people.

because they were doing it as early as the 1960s.

And I just want to point out, I'm little hung up on you using the words back to back, build back. Huh, kind of feels like build back better.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23.406)
That's the Phoenix program.

That's incredible. Okay, so where are we at on the old Pac-Man timeline here?

We're probably at a point where we could stop for the day. Oh, OK. We can start with some of the other entities. We kind of went through. Can you?

Can you talk to me about the, and I must confess that I didn't get a chance to really study this part of the thread that I was looking at that you posted back in August. can you just, while we've got you here, and since this has always fascinated me, I don't think there's ever been enough discussion about Oklahoma City in the Philippines.

That's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13.453)
And so that's always bugged me right through 9-11. And could you just, let's do this. If you're willing to, we talk about, can we do 95 to 2001 before we part today? Because if you have the time, I would love to kind of concentrate on that era because that just felt like a very, what's the word?

That's, I think that is the moment when my brain, whereas before, before then I was Mr. By the Narrative. Government says this, sure, believe it. Yep. Okay. That's the bad guys. That's it. But the first time I, I mean, I specifically remember where I was. I was sitting in a cubicle in a radio station producing Pat Gray, who I produce for now. I remember sitting in this cubicle in Houston, Texas, a KPRC.

What, what this.

This is kind of buggy because they arrested somebody at the Chicago airport and I don't know I'm just gonna keep babbling here but I'm just saying that there was always this Timothy McVeigh, Philippines, 9-11, help me out here am I off base? I can't remember all the details I just remember it bugged me for a while.

So.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36.192)
I hear that every day from my wife, by the way.

understand the Philippines nexus to the Las Vegas shooting. His girlfriend was from the Philippines. So if you understand about the history of the Philippines, the United States, I mean, it was basically one of our colonies. People don't think of the US as an imperial power, but it was. So we basically took the Philippines after

the Spanish-American War and made it a territory. And there was an indigenous force in the Philippines that fought the Spanish for control the entire time. And they thought, thank God the U.S. got us and we're going to be free finally. So the U.S. immediately sent in our military to quell the quest for freedom.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36.194)
We were not going to let them be free. We were going to conquer them and we did. And those indigenous forces have always hated the United States for that. People were just mass slaughtered on the island because we wanted it as a military port because we were expanding at the time. This is the industrial revolution time.

and we wanted trade with Asia and Philippines was going to be our foothold in that area. And so the military apparatus that was set up on the Philippines and we basically through Marco controlled it the entire time. We decided who was going to be president. We assassinated people in the political realm. We basically controlled it.

And also a lot of people don't know that after World War II there was a massive, and I can't tell you, some people estimated at like 20 trillion dollars worth of gold that and other antiquities that the Japanese collected through their rampage of the Pacific prior to World War II. So during World War II and just prior they were collecting literally

kitchen sinks out of homes in China, Indonesia, all of that area. And they brought about 80 % of that loot to the Philippines. And they created an elaborate,

cavernous burial area throughout the Philippines on multiple islands over 175 sites. It's called Golden Lily. If you want to do any research on it. Golden Lily. And so. They the the princes of the Emperor, his nephews and they were all related.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34.444)
Willie?

Okay, sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49.39)
They came to the Philippines to oversee the burial. They made elaborate coded maps on where all of these 175 sites were. So over the course of time, both the OSS and the CIA went to elaborate measures to try to find where all of these were. And they were sat, they were booby trapped.

They had all types of booby traps inside of them that if you happen to come across one of these sites somehow, like if you're building a building or whatever, that they had cyanide capsules that would kill workers and everything. So again, it's this big elaborate thing, but some of the sites do get discovered. And the CIA, along with Marcos, had an arrangement

of basically laundering that gold out of there. But most people don't know that gold has fingerprints. So you can actually do a gold analysis and tell exactly where in the world it came from. And so they went through this elaborate scheme to bring in this guy out of Nevada to mine gold. And the Philippines do have some natural gold in order to put the

Filipino gold in with this other goal to trick the fingerprinting and they tried to kill that guy because he was able to interpret the maps and found a couple of the sites. And just as they were starting to excavate the sites, they tried to assassinate him. But he was smart enough to basically take the maps and send them out of the country in a piece of furniture back to Nevada.

And so when they tried to kill him, they had a team in his hotel room. And he basically said, you're never going to find the maps. They're not here. And if you kill me, you'll never find the gold. So he by the I mean, like the hair on his neck escapes the assassination attempt. And then the John Birch Society gets involved, who had financed him to go to part of this process.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07.528)
and he ends up getting sued, he loses everything, they made the guy's life a living nightmare. But anyway, the film.

Yeah, I was going to say, wow, that's more than I anticipated to hear from you on this.

The Philippines, Lansdale, who was a CIA agent, set up terrorist training camps all over the Philippines for the CIA. So all of the Asian Gladio operations were launched out of the Philippines. If they needed to provide terrorist training camps for someone, they brought them to the Philippines. So the Philippines has been crawling with Gladio stuff.

A large contingent of the Vietnam Phoenix program were operatives that had been trained in the Philippines under the CIA, actual Filipinos that were part of the terrorist network to put down their rebellions in the Philippines. So they brought them into Vietnam. There were some of them used in Malaya for MI6. So it has been

a terrorist training camp Mecca. And so every time I come across someone, as soon as they talked about what I, after I learned all this stuff, when we looked at the Las Vegas thing, I'm like, shit, that guy's girlfriend was from the Philippines. And

Speaker 2 (01:17:40.612)
Right, it's always the Philippines, man. Yes.

Yes.

All right.

So the Philippines is much bigger than what most people realize.

Okay, I still want to know though, who comes up with these names for these operations? I mean, that's some silly stuff going on there. Hang on a second.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08.942)
Arctic frost is basically, that's a freeze. So they're freezing out.

See, knew there was, yep, keep going.

Yeah, they're freezing out the ability for anybody on the Republican side to make any moves because they're going to neutralize them because now since they've had them under investigation, they got dirt on them. They can blackmail them. So it's basically the neutralization or freezing of that arm of the resistance.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50.23)
Somebody has something on everybody in Washington DC. Yeah

Yes.

Is there anybody that you think is clean?

Well, it's funny that you said that because I did an earlier show, we do secret societies with a friend of mine who's a former Wall Street banker. And he asked me that same thing off camera when we got done. He was like, do you believe there's anybody because I made the comment to him about Grassley and, you know, him being there through this entire time and never done the damn thing about it. He asked me, he said, is there anybody there in the Senate that you think is a good guy? And

him and I are looking at each other and I'm going, you know, the really sad thing is, is no one's name comes off the top of my head. That's an indictment. But the one guy that we did come up with is brand new. So he hasn't been compromised yet, potentially. And that's the guy from Missouri, Smith, who just got into the Senate. He potentially is one of the good guys there. There is very few of them. And if they're there for any length of time,

Speaker 2 (01:19:53.41)
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58.062)
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02.978)
They are not.

So let's go, let's just real quick here. Let's do this exercise. Rand Paul, you think is compromised to some degree as well?

Say he's compromised, but Rand Paul has a very specific lane. And when it comes to medical stuff, you cannot fault him on anything. But I think his broader view of a lot of other issues are very controversial. I guess I'd say that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46.99)
He obviously is not one of them or he wouldn't have got attacked.

Right, right, okay. Or someone could say, or maybe he was attacked because he is one of them. How about over in the house? Thomas Massey, anybody over there come to mind that clean?

I think the one obvious

think your laugh said it all.

So the one that got attacked the most was Matt Gaetz.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18.12)
And the one that gets attacked now the most is Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Okay.

And from my perspective, because I'm completely jaded now, and that's the way I feel about President Trump. If you go through the history of presidents back to JFK, it is legitimate when you look back on it and say that a Republican president is attacked by the Democrats or a Democrat president is attacked by the Republicans. You just expect that.

Mm-hmm.

Very rarely do you ever have a president that is attacked by both parties until President Trump. And to me, that is a clear indication that he is not acceptable to either side of the cabal that is running Washington, D.C.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16.206)
Could the same thing be said about Thomas Massey? How unusual it is to have a Republican president so adamantly attack one of his own, just a congressman, one of 435. I mean, that seems interesting as well, doesn't it? Or is that just a, I want my way and this guy standing in the way type of head.

With the House the way it is, I think it's more of the latter than the former. Trump is very interesting from that perspective, just so that you know. I call everything the way I see it. In central Florida, we had two 100 % rhinos. mean, like across the board, 100 % rhinos. So rhino that President Trump came out with a call saying, anybody that runs against them, I will support.

on the Republican ticket? Well, one of them was Cory Mills.

no, no.

And we had one of the best MAGA guys ever to be produced in US in Florida, Sabatini, who ran against him. He was not endorsed. We had a great candidate running against, I'm not going to come up with his name, he's old. I mean, guy, Webster, Dan Webster. President Trump called him out by name and said he needs to have a Republican contender.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48.45)
We had a great MAGA candidate run against him and President Trump endorsed Dan Webster.

The same thing happened with Laura Lee. Laura Lee, God bless her. I met her. I think she has the best intention. She's a rhino through and through. Somebody good ran against her and President Trump endorsed her. So he's not without flaws. I don't know who advises him on those things, but those of us who are in the grassroots effort in my area of central Florida,

or was let down to a significant degree because we could have had some really good fighters in the house and we did not get them. Instead we get Cory Mills.

Real quick, going back to Marjorie Taylor Greene.

I feel that, and I'd love your response to this and then I'll let you go here. I feel that if there was something more than they've tried to get her with, I feel that would have been revealed by now. Yes. Because they hate her on the left. so... And they don't like her on the right either. And so when you're universally hated,

Speaker 1 (01:25:11.426)
like her, the rhinos don't like her.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18.924)
like that, you would fully expect if they have something on you.

same thing with, but they'll make it up like they did with Matt Gaetz. You know, hey, his friend's a pedophile, so he has to be one. And the FBI tried as they might to paint that picture and find the dirt on him. And when they couldn't, they dropped the charges and then the house goes ahead and tries to attack him anyway. And that tells you that he was a threat to both parties.

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50.24)
Yeah, that's a point. Yeah. Okay, so next time we get together and we pick up this PatKahn discussion, we're going to pick it up at around 9-11. Does that sound about where we're at on the timeline here?

No, no, no, it doesn't go through to 9-11. It gets exposed. There's ties. If you look at the overall structure, you can make some correlations to 9-11, but it gets exposed before we get to 9-11. But again, the tenets is there because all they did after 9-11 was replace white nationalist Christian with Muslims.

wow.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37.16)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, and boy, plenty of examples of frame jobs. This was a good exercise for me at one point because I remember a guy saying something like, you always complain about the FBI, but do you ever complain about it when they frame Muslims? And it was so helpful exercise about six months ago where I was able to go through all of my tweets.

Boom. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03.818)
and find example out of exam after example, after example of me pointing out where the FBI framed Muslims in America. And the guy was like, okay, fine. You're, right. Yeah. So

Okay, than that. gets better than that. You can trade CIA funding to setting up my husband just got back.

going to say that that's normally the sound that you hear on this end and I thought for a moment there Matilda what's going on here yeah okay sorry go ahead what was it.

You can find example after example of the CIA funding mosque and radical Islam, imams in those mosques that then the CIA and FBI uses to radicalize Americans that then go over into Afghanistan and become part of the Mujahideen movement, the al-Qaeda and the ISIS.

If Americans realized what they're, they go to work and they work so hard every day and they sweat and they try to scrimp and save in between the endless bills and mortgage payments that pile up. And if, if Americans only knew what they funded with their labor, it is enough to make you want to. Okay. So,

Speaker 2 (01:28:26.06)
That's what we'll do. So next time, I'm just going to make a note here because like I said, I'll forget if I don't write it down. I got to have a paper trail. We're going to talk about PatCon getting exposed, right? And then how it morphed into what we have today right up to Arctic Frost. Let's see. Hang on. I got to write this down. OK, that's cool. Yeah.

all right, so let's do that. Do you have a calendar in front of you there? We might as well put the audience in on our scheduling as long as if it is a good time. So you got Thursday, October 23rd available. Is that possible?

yes.

Alright, look at there y'all see we just took care of that. So on Thursday, October 23rd, we'll gather here again and and will. Will look. I don't know how I want to say this will expose Patcon and part 2 OK, alright, so let me let me make sure that all of your information is up there so the people can find you here. Look at the rumble channel there for the Colonel. It's the Colonel's corner.

too.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32.574)
or if you want to just type it in directly, it's the very catchy and easy to remember rumble.com slash c hyphen four two three two six two. You know, when I read that, I feel old. Like when I read a web address like that, it just makes me feel 30 years older than I am. rumble.com slash c hyphen four two three two six two. The Colonel's Corner. And don't forget, you can follow her on X as well at

Colonel Towner. Always a pleasure, always an education. I appreciate your time today, Colonel, and we will see you again here on October 23rd. For everyone else, I hope you'll hang out with us tomorrow. I've got so many animal videos. I was just looking, I'm sorry, I'm distracted here because I have tomorrow's show piled up on the floor, and I was distracted at one point during the conversation today because Tanner is rolling around here doing his dog stuff.

And now there's papers everywhere. So I don't know if it's out of order or what. I've been stressing for an hour now. Anyway, I'm sorry. Colonel, I'll let you go. Thank you, everyone. We will see you all here tomorrow at 3 PM Eastern.