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Hi. my goodness. Happy Thursday. Welcome to the Thursday deep dive. Let me get that banner off of there for you. That's, that's gotta be annoying. Am I right? Okay. So, I appreciate y'all making time today as always. I hope wherever you are, it's a lovely day. Let me get the comments here so I can see what you folks are saying. Okay. All right. Woo.

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It's the only place we do it live at 3 PM Eastern on Thursday and Friday. It's Thursday. We do the deep dive where we explore one specific topic. On Friday, we try to have some fun. just as the world is burning around us, play some animal. In fact, I got to find some animal videos for tomorrow, Friday at 3 PM. I know you're going to want to tune in for that. And of course, over Instagram, that's Gabby's domain, at Jeffy Apologist on X. So follow her as well. She's always putting fun stuff over there since.

When I go to Instagram, I feel old. I feel old. Brad, speaking of, how do you? I'm sorry, who was it that fell asleep before the show started? I'm so tired. I stayed up so late watching my Who's old? That's me. I feel old. I stayed up way too late last night watching the oilers and watching the Braves simultaneously. I saw the Braves lose and the Oilers win.

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And right now, Braves fans, no spoiler alerts if you're gonna watch the game when you get home tonight. I love rugby. I think it's great watching those games. I'll just say that they're in the ninth inning and it's still a game. They innings in rugby? It should not be. Yes, yes. Brad Staggs, ladies and gentlemen, follow him at real Brad Staggs. I think I made a, didn't I make a Post-It note? I have a Post-It note laying around here somewhere with your handle on it. Nothing but the best.

but the best from you and for you. There it is. See that? Oh, it's on the screen too. So, there it is. That real Brad Staggs. Now, what you do is a thing called the Daily Mojo.com. I do. I do it. I do it. What time do you do that? Well, what time zone? Tahiti? Okay. I don't know. Mountain. Excuse me. Mountain. Mountain time. Mountain and we do it with

it's, you talk about Bill Clinton? I love Bill Clinton. Hey Bill Clinton, I've got a Bill Clinton clip on tomorrow's Friday live stream. It will stun you. You know how people say, you know, if, you're not going to say something nice about somebody, don't say anything at all. It's the one thing I can say nice about Bill Clinton. I'll do that tomorrow on the Friday live stream. Okay. So, is it about a cigar? No. Why? What time did we say, your show comes on weekdays?

Seven you don't even know seven. I think I'm pretty sure it's seven central time. Yeah, what other time is there? What other time zone? Is there real quick before we get into today's topic? I just want to let everyone know that a week from today on the Thursday deep dive We're gonna talk about what I think is the most consequential Labor dispute in American history and nobody knows about it. It's it's truly shocking. I stumbled onto this place

It's a ghost town now where this massacre occurred. 100 years ago, 80 years ago. I don't even know. But that'll be next week's deep dive topic. so long time ago, long time ago. OK, so not that long ago, Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 vanished and it is. Yes. And it's been the topic of discussion on this program.

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multiple times. And it's usually with our guest who is coming up. Let me, let me back up. Ashton Forbes. Doesn't really exist. Doesn't really exist. Like he's vanished. Like, no, he will be here shortly. When we do these live streams. Or will he? Okay. When we do these live streams, you know, it's there, there's still real life happening where we have jobs that pay the bills and he got a last minute meeting that he was dragged into.

What is it? What is it? What a job. It's job. that the is that the thing you do where you get paid to do it? no. Yeah. He will be joining us here shortly. Ashton Forrest. But I have some stuff that I wanted to play before we even started talking to him anyway. So it actually worked out because he has been for three years now. He has been a CIA operative. He's a way he's a CIA operative.

He's a spook. Come on. Okay. Come on. That's funny. I think I saw a tweet of his the other day where he gave kind of a shout out to the CIA. How they, is exactly what a spook would do. Shout out isn't the right phrase. Almost like acknowledging that Ashton Forbes is. That's what he'd do if he was a spook. Let me finish my point. He is so, go ahead. Finish it.

I'm trying to. I'm waiting. Keep interrupting me. So so the thing is, he makes a good point. He's not been sued for all of these. Of all these claims that he's been making about Malaysian Airlines 370 and all of the interesting research that he has done in the rabbit holes that he has been going down, if if he had defamed anyone along the way, don't you think they would have sued him by now? Yeah.

Right? mean, because there's nothing, but he hasn't really said anything to defame anybody. Matter of fact, he's defended the pilot. Right. Well, that's fair. Yes. But there's been he has been like a dog with a bone man for three years and he just keeps uncovering stuff. And it's just been fascinating to follow and watch this. And he will be joining us here shortly. But one of the things that he released, because in fact, I should tell him this, I don't know that I have. He was the inspiration for me doing these Thursday deep dives.

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because I had this idle YouTube channel just sitting out there that I wasn't really doing much with. And then I ran across something of his back in, gosh, it was November of 2023 now. I saw a thing that he had done. I was like, I gotta talk to this guy about Malaysian Airlines 370. And it was like the night before Thanksgiving, I think it was in 2023. And it's still the most watched. I don't know what that says about my YouTube channel.

but it's still the most watched video on there. And I reached out to him. We had a fascinating discussion. We did a follow-up where you were a part of that one, Brad. And it's just been fascinating to see this unfold. And we had him on the Daily Mojo too. You've had him over there and it inspired me to do kind of these weekly deep dive things. And in fact, he was on my day job. That's the thing where you get paid. So weird. It's weird, right? Sorry.

Sorry. Okay. So he was on just a couple of weeks ago, Pat Gray unleashed over on the blaze and, and, and toward the end of that conversation, he mentioned a couple of people's names that were keeping this technology, that from us as a society and that the, that the world would really enjoy having access to, some of these, cutting edge technologies as far as free energy and so on.

And the fact that somebody's making airplanes disappear. But I reached out to him after that show and I was like, hey, I got to have you on my Thursday deal. And we've got to talk about who the gatekeepers of this technology, who's blocking this from us. And he will definitely expound on that and give us some names, give us some company names, give us the names of individuals.

And again, if you're just tuning in Ashton got dragged into a meeting at his job, he will be here shortly. Or he was kidnapped. Maybe he was in a plane over the Indian Ocean. Maybe he's in that plane right behind me. What's going on with that? Is that plane parked on clouds? What's going on back there? It was very expensive. had that in the in the garage here at the motel. We rented. Now, I'll say this. It is not a full size airplane. It's three quarter size. And so then you we rented the orbs.

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and we rented the clouds. The clouds you get by the bucket, which is weird. You wouldn't think you'd rent clouds by the bucket, but you do. go and you scoop and you throw them out there. And then we took a picture of it. so look, I think it looks pretty good. So you rent, what do you rent the clouds? Where do you rent clouds? Franchise cloud rental store. Okay. Nice words by the way. Thank you. That's a lot more than I've been told that a few times. Oh, those.

Yeah, those are yeah. Thank you. Hang on a second. Yeah, I see that solid. It's a good. Okay. Yeah. All right. So one of the things I wanted to talk to Ashton about is this video. I didn't realize that something similar happened in 2013. I don't know if he's addressed. in the hell are we just now hearing about that? Again, weird. I'm eagerly awaiting our guests to be able to ask him about this.

But this was posted not that long ago. And it's the video on top is Spain, apparently in 2013 and the bottom two are the MH370 in 2014. Yeah. Isn't that wild? Is it possible that we've been seeing the 2013 one and thinking it is? mean, how is it possible that there's...

I got questions. I got questions and Ashton's a guy to answer Because it looks like the same plane, does it not? Well, no, think the contrails are different and plus the orbs were behind that other one. Is seeding the cloud? Is that what he's doing? that the Spain? Is that a Spain cloud seeder? Is that how they get rain? I think so. The rain in Spain. Okay. All right, so.

I definitely needed to play this before Ashton joined us. So this actually worked out. I got to play this video because shortly after the conversation that we had over on Pack Ray Unleashed, he released this video. He found this video and there's this company and let's see, Sierra Nevada Corporation. I'm sorry, what? Is it Sierra Nevada? No, don't you dare. You mean Sierra Nevada? I can't stand you. I can't stand you. I'm sorry, which one of us was born there? that's fair. Okay. Hi.

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Okay, but no, no, no, you. Nevada Corporation. just don't, you know, when I can avoid sounding like a Yankee, I take the opportunity. So the Sierra Nevada Corporation. just, this video speaks for itself. I think it's fascinating. Has it yet? Anyway, so here is, yeah, there he was. There he is. really, this is an Ashton tweet not that long ago. I really love what the CIA has been able to do with Gorgon Stare. Again, if you follow Ashton, you know that he's been talking about this for several weeks now.

So now he's an enemy of the state, as you can see there. He's a big fan of the CIA. Keep up the good work. See, maybe you're right. OK, but you got to see this video. So here we go. It's a three minute video explaining the Gorgon Stair, the latest puzzle piece happening here around MH370. Check this out. When the ancient Greek Gorgon Medusa stared down upon our enemies, they were frozen in place. Their voices mute.

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Sierra Nevada Corporation's intelligence... What was that? Nevada? ...and reconnaissance division... I can't help it, they're targets too. ...in response to an urgent Department of Defense need for a real-time surveillance system. Wide area airborne persistent surveillance, or WAPS, is the ability to continually... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

Okay, hold on. See, really? This video came out. think if I remember correctly, it was out before the saw. Bring the mop, bring the bucket. Okay. The thing is Brad Staggs gets. I'm He said WAPs just like Nevada, not Nevada. WAPs not WAP. Okay. You got it. All right. Continually observe a large area from an airborne platform.

Capable of watching the city-sized area 24 hours a day for an unlimited amount of time, the system's electro-optical and infrared sensors capture all activity without interruption in the field of view both day and night. An Air Force MQ-9 Reaper remotely piloted aircraft equipped with the Gorgon Stair system observes a potential threat, revealing its story, its secrets, its intent.

This extended Overwatch streams live, real-time footage of the area within the flight's circle of persistence to multiple users and stores the footage in a real-time accessible archive.

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Live view capability in the circle of persistence provides situational awareness. Hang a second. Hang on a second. Hang on, on. So I grabbed the... Let me back up. I grabbed this video. This video has been spliced in with MH370 stuff. And I didn't realize that until right now. The original video... about to say... Hold on, hold on, hold on. The original video didn't show this.

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He put this in the comments later after he posted the original video. I just want to be clear here and I was thinking man there I know I know the to search the imagery can be studied in near real time or forensic analysis in the wake of an incident Morgan Stair is a I didn't catch this. Sorry. was in flight hours in combat operations.

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It has detected and neutralized numerous threats as the reconnaissance asset of choice for maneuver commanders. What once took days of intelligence preparation of the battle space has now been reduced to a single mission. In addition to displaying the full field of view, 10 distinct zoom areas within Gorgon stairs unblinking view can be simultaneously collected and distributed.

any appropriately equipped users, including intelligence centers, on the ground, tactical troops and first responders. Okay, so there you go. And then there's a little bit. So to be clear, Gorgon Stair is the surveillance system, right? That is being used by the military industrial complex to constantly surveil

Every square inch of everything on earth or just select areas or Ashton. Take the floor, please. No. sorry. Sorry. Any minute now. Ashton will be joining us here. But yeah. Yes. I took to your question. Yes, Brad. One of the. Yeah, I don't I don't know how. I don't know if it has to be specifically, but they just said you capture the data, then you can go back and look at it.

So I think it's capturing everything in tacto says on and intacto by the way, no Ashton has not spoken yet. So on MH370 said there were 20 employees of US technology company, free scale semiconductor. Is that true? I don't know. It makes powerful microchips for different sectors, including the defense industry. And Jeff, the apologist wants to know, does this help or hurt the simulation theory?

we were just talking about the simulation theory before we went on the air here. Because we are in simulation.

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Prove we're not. don't say no to anything anymore. There's nothing you can definitively say that's real or that isn't anymore. Not since these AI video models have come out and you cannot. Oh, that's fair. Yeah. didn't even of that. There's no distinguishing what is legit and what isn't anymore. It's done.

So it's scary, but it's done. Did you? I haven't shown you my rabbit. I'm sorry. You haven't seen my rabbit yet. This is a family show, bro. What are we doing? huh. Well, no, I, on, I used, via a veil, whatever the hell it's called. So hold on a second in this virtual reality, do the Atlanta Falcons ever win the Superbowl? Yes. Every year. I'm sorry. I want to be every year. So that's the beauty of it. But,

The the things you can do that aren't always great but let's see if I point for you okay okay I'll start that again so yeah please yeah Alhambra banana skin flinster

That's a good boy. So what's that? That's a prompt. just put I was playing around with VO or Vail, whatever the hell it's called. And the prompt was, you know, magician makes a rabbit appear in the the rabbit is supposed to be a small rabbit and is supposed to be on the table and tell the magician. Oh, that's a good boy. The point is, you cannot tell. Right. That's a good boy.

That could be, I mean, that could be the White House rabbit at Easter right there. You cannot tell the difference. was in that rabbit costume? Yeah, it's gotta be KJP. Yeah. She's in defense. You know that, right? Yeah. Yeah. She's trying to think outside the box, she says. Okay. So, so you had,

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You mentioned something earlier that made me think of this clip that I have here. This clip goes back to 2001 at the National Press Club and speaking about hidden technologies, you know, the topic of today's there's a man named Don Phillips, former Lockheed, CIA contractor, all sorts of good stuff. And this video, again, I say this video is from

2001 and I want you to listen to what he said. Have you heard this? I have no idea. Awesome. Good. Here we go. Watch this. I like surprises for you. They were traveling so fast that you could almost see a pattern left by if you are computer people, when you move a mouse real quick across the screen, you see a little bit of a tail. Well, that's exactly the way these six or seven craft where they all seem to group up the West Northwest. Okay.

They started to come in on a circle. Just directly east of that is what is known as Area 51. We knew it as the Groom Lake Flight Test Facility. And it was where we tested our aircraft after we got the prototype made from the Skunk Works. Let's get back to the circle in the sky. What they did was coalesce and started rotating in a circle and then they disappeared.

Well, I thought, gee, this is something that we have to keep quiet. And that was verified by the chief of security. Now we don't know who was guiding those, but they were certainly intelligent. And we don't know where they landed because they coalesced and disappeared. That I will testify under oath as to what I say is true. And I will do so before Congress. Thank you. Where'd this come from? That was a speech, a man named Don Phillips at the National Press Club event in 2001.

speaking about hidden technologies. so 25 years ago, Don Phillips. I've never, I've never, looked him up, Yeah. He's still alive and kicking. You need to get him on this show. How old is he? That's, that's crazy. Now I had a friend who worked at, at skunk works and every morning, every Monday he would get on a bus.

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Go to Burbank. It's out in California, obviously and he would go to Burbank They would get on a plane that had blacked out windows. They would fly up to skunkworks they would They get off the plane inside the warehouse and then he would do whatever he did which he never told us what he did but Hold on. It's I'm listening to you. But see Gabby who runs our IG

me back up.

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Entertainment today. I don't know that not necessarily good entertainment but entertainment today has been the Elon Musk feed on X and I don't please don't go hopping around stay here y'all please those tweets will still be up later. I'm sure will that yeah. Yeah, right. Okay, but then I see this from Jeffy apologist Elon's most recent tweet about Trump and of course I was listening to what you were saying, but I thought you know what? Let me just see if there's anything new since because he's been he's been tweeting a

bunch today and two ten so fourteen minutes ago Elon Musk tweets out time to drop the really big bomb keep in mind this has been escalating all day. Donald Trump is in the Epstein files that is the real reason they have not been made public have a nice day DJT. Okay this simulation can we reset it? I don't like it. I don't like this I don't like it a lot. No. Okay wait a

Because before I saw that tweet, I saw him talking about, we need a new political party in this country? There was another interesting tweet. I can't find it now. this is me in 2021. So he's saying, it's a 2021 clip of him saying that, get rid of all subsidies.

You know on the EV credit because a lot of people were saying maybe he is against the big beautiful bill now Because it takes away the EV credit for Americans to purchase vehicles like Tesla So I thought man, we gotta have a lot to talk about tomorrow morning. I'm Pat grand leash Then I see this tweet. Thank you, Jeffy apologist Wow, that's not even the big news of the day the big news is apparently according to Rachid Dohwan Steelers and now

It's official I guess Aaron Rodgers according to ratchet that he's gonna play for the Steelers next year. That's the big news is that's nothing to do with Trump or eat. Okay, so there's some news, huh? Elon didn't kill himself says Patrick. This is is this a this a sigh everything's a sigh up everything is this a sigh up? Confused

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Baker just he responded and just like that, Democrats started buying Teslas again. Steve Baker was on last week's Friday live stream. tomorrow, the Friday live stream. It's gonna be me, you, and five times August. You know that guy. He's a hero. He's awesome. This is this.

Okay. And I agree with gray wolf who says, come on, man, if he was there, the deep state would have found a way to bring that out the last time around while covering themselves. He would have been blackmailed to not run for president. Yeah. Yeah. This is, this is, this smells funny. Does it not? Everything smells funny, bro. I know this is like, it's almost like, okay, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to tweet this and

Have a good day, DJT. There's no coming back, man. He is not going to help Republicans ever again, which I think we already figured anyway. It's just so fucking weird. Everything is... Did Ron just send me a text? I don't know.

Was it Yes, just said he'd send me the Elon one. I from Ashton. He will be with us here shortly. just ahead. It's a Psy-op. Psy-op? It's a Psy-op. It's got to be. I mean, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. get it. But is it?

hate this timeline, but at least this broke while we were all together. That's true. We'll hold each other. Yeah. I'd be doing a drinks with Keith right now if I wasn't doing a deep dive here. In fact, I think it's drinking weather. Intactos is sad part. It's sad part. isn't what? I don't like this one. I like this one over here. You don't like what? I'm drinking. I had one of my Magic Mind

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I don't want to call it energy shop because magic mind reached out. They're not paying me to say this but they reached out and said hey Do you want to try magic mind and I'm like Is it free? nice. That's the key word baby. Yeah, if it's free it's for me. And so I was like, yeah sharper mind clean calm energy less stress. Maybe that's why I'm just all chill

look at you. I don't know how to be chill. maybe I need some of that magic. Maybe you should try some magic mind. Maybe I need to try some mushrooms. I'm sorry. that out loud? Anyway, so. them before, but I don't think I got the good ones. It didn't. And maybe taking a handful wasn't the right thing to do. maybe putting mustard on them wasn't right. Where do you think the political landscape goes?

after this, between Elon and Donald Trump and I don't, I don't, I don't see. I just don't, I don't understand this world, man. This is, this is weirder than, mean, everything keeps getting incrementally more and more bizarre. I mean, is it been like, has it ever been like this in politics? I mean,

No, are you kidding me? We know if C-SPAN were like this in the nineties, I wouldn't have been the only nerd watching it, man. I get this was politics 30 years ago. Right. I didn't. I've never followed. I've my eye on, but I've never completely followed. And I just, can't think of a time even reading about history. I can't think of a time that it's been this. No, no. Do you remember?

that first day in office, January 20th, 2001 for George W. Bush. Do you remember what the big scandal, what the big crazy present that the Clinton administration left behind for George W. Bush that had everyone just, my goodness, it's crazy. Anyone No, I don't. They took all the W keys out of the key. that's right. Yes. That's crazy time, man. And now.

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Compared to what we got going on today. Holy crap. I I pine for those days. It's actors. I'm with alex jones god help us all forgive our sins. Here's the thing It's it's it's just not the end of the world. This is not the second coming because we see this coming Ergo, it ain't the second coming Uh-huh. you will not know when it's coming. That's really philosophical of you. Well, it's true. Yeah,

What crispy Jojo says what if DJT and Musk are planning to stage a fight and DJT just drops drops the list and everyone on it craps their shorts All right, I mean I'm not saying that they wouldn't do it that way, but they probably wouldn't do it after a tweet from Elon Musk saying Okay, is it it have they is it is that front page news on CNN yet? what about the the

the the commandeered drudge report that the left now owns and runs. You know, that's gotta be the biggest siren ever. That's got to be. I gotta see this because you know, liberals run that now. It's I guarantee you just my is a theory the George Soros Must manga crash landing stock spirals Trump and Epstein files a judge report. Where's this big giant siren thing? You know, can you do you see it? Yeah, I see it. Hang on. I got it on this end here.

Um, yeah, but i'm surprised it's not like this big flashing red light. Well, it's pretty big there at the top I guess you're welcome. Uh, let's see the Oh, this is the eighth of january 2024 the independent the link right there donald trump's alled sexual Proclivities graphically detailed in new epstein documents. Oh boy, that's from 24 Okay, I don't know. He's not I If the if it was true, this would have been I know

unless the other option is that Trump has been part of the whole machine the whole time and they've been holding it over his head, you think? If it's true. No, because they wouldn't let him run for president. He would have dropped out and said, look, I'm sorry. I'm just, you know, good luck. Bye.

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So.

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I just don't want it to hurt. I don't want to see it coming. don't want to. I don't want to die screaming. I don't write. I don't want to watch myself bleed out. I the best you can help for is to die in your sleep. The second best is get by a train from behind. Yeah. Okay. All right. It is. I'm not kidding. is the second best way to go. All this death talk reminds me. have to go. I have to go watch John Wick this weekend. I'm to go see that John Wick for is it out five? Yeah. This weekend.

You know what you need to see before then is the wild robot. Why what's that all about? I'm not going to say it makes you cry, but it'll make you cry. So shut up. it in theaters? The wild? No, it's on My bad. Musk is going to create the X party says ratchet. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. Is that is that da da da? don't know, but make your handle something we can pronounce. We're simple. No, no lunch break is over after return to income generating work.

Toby, thanks. Thanks for that. Everyone's rubbing the money into me. You'd like that, wouldn't you? I would love that. I guess I want to show you something else here. And we're going to and we're going to hopefully do a lab says we need to do a mojo meetup in Roswell. Go for it. I mean, hopefully we're going to be down there the week of July 4th, which is a Friday, and hopefully we're to be down there Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Wednesday. Yeah, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I don't know. Around the 4th of July.

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Yeah, well, that's when UFO days are in Roswell. see, we're not going to do live streams on the third or fourth. I've decided the Thursday and Friday, the third and fourth. So. I'm going to invite myself if you do a live stream and I can just join you to do one and then I can join you from there. OK, we can do it that way. That's fine. Either way. Yeah, we're working on it behind the scenes right now. So we hopefully it'll hopefully I haven't given it the fecal touch.

I'm It's just I'm this. Tomorrow's going to be an interesting day for talk radio. I'll tell you that. We're going to have some fun. Or are we? They're really big. Is he? Are we going to get another tweet in a second? says, I got hacked. That I, know what? While you were talking, I was thinking that yeah, but I don't. And look, if anybody can fake being hacked, it's Elon Musk because

Who's going to go and say, hey, Elon, investigate who hacked your account? then David Harris just said, hey, you just lost all credibility,

Speaker 1 (51:12.526)
I don't know what his sources like what what's Elon's source? No, that's why I'm saying it doesn't make any okay Naomi who's this Naomi? Site side bit site anyway, I could not possibly imagine reading anything more shocking and unsurprising Donald Trump has seen the swamp because He lived it There's your what if Elon shows evidence yeah

What where's the evidence? What would be the evidence if it's a video? Because there's not that's what everybody says Epstein had video. We shot video of everybody doing everything with everybody that way and kept it somewhere secure. I mean, there wasn't a list. There wasn't like an appointment book with Trump at 315 with Marsha. come on. There's a hole in your story. Ain't no chick there named Marsha.

The Jan Brady or the Marsha Brady look like you mean just saying did and and did Virginia Jafray did she kill herself? No, the bus tried to or the truck or whatever. Well, yeah, so This is so So let's go back to an earlier thought Are we living in a simulation the evidence in the last 37 minutes leads me towards? it's more than it did 37 minutes ago

I know. don't know. I don't know what I don't know to do. Come over here and let's drink on the back patio tonight, bro. Dean says it's so over. Oh my god. Okay. So, hold on. Hold on. Prediction time. Prediction time. Knowing knowing what you know right up to the minute. Uh huh. You'll have to speculate and simulate the next 18 months, okay? Uh huh. Who wins the midter?

Speaker 1 (53:09.102)
I just hold on. Let's go over. Let's have fun and go over look at cnn. there. Yeah, front page cnn trump musk feud Explodes into public view trump floats terminating musk's government subsidies and contracts as an online backup It did those that I just doesn't do you see elon being this kind of person? Well, did you hear? yesterday speaker johnson recounting

his 30 minute conversation with Elon Musk and how Elon seemed to be on board with the big, beautiful bill. And then 24 hours later, hell breaks, less than that, all hell breaks loose. He wants you to stop, shame on you for voting for it, call your senators and your congressmen. And so that's when people said, it must be the subsidies. In fact, that it must be the subsidies that got under his skin. And there was,

and the other thing was he wanted Starlink to be a part of the control towers at the airports, right? The refurbishing of that. And the story that I read this morning, said something along the lines of a White House source said or the White House said or something. That's an important distinction because if it's a source said, then it was

under the table if the White House said, then it would have been official. And I don't I think it said the White House said anyway. I don't know. I don't know if it was a Caroline Levitt thing from the podium. I really don't know. But if the White House said that and tried to make him look bad, you could see where this would escalate, whether the Epstein nugget is true or not. I still have no idea. Obviously, it's just the two of them. It's so fast. It's such a rapid

right you know it's almost like it's manufactured for entertainment purposes only as opposed to let it cool off for a few days let's talk behind the scenes let's have a phone call oh yeah well screw you you know right go public with such and such if you don't touch yeah it does not this is this is like a lover's spat like uh uh being played out in public here like it's like a series of of ten hold on a second

Speaker 1 (55:33.806)
Trump and I haven't looked at his truth social today, but through this morning, he had not said anything about Elon Musk. And in fact, what he did was he copied and pasted, you he retweeted for lack of a better phrase a couple of weeks ago when Elon tweeted out, hey, you know, it's been great. Donald Trump is going to, you know, cut government spending, blah, blah, blah. I love my time with Doge time to move on since my hundred and

30 days is up or whatever. And so the only acknowledgement that I've seen publicly of Donald Trump referring to Elon was in this, in that copy and paste from his tweet two weeks ago, Elon's tweet two weeks ago when he was praising Trump. Other than that, Trump has been, he's been going after Rand Paul. He's been talking about his phone calls with Putin. And today he talked about his phone call with This is Gulf of America.

I love this of America. It has to be I love Matt Van Swal I love his tweet last week where he's like what the hell are Republicans doing? You know, this big beautiful bill all the spending, know, we're not getting it no, wait, we got that. We got a body of water renamed. So we got that going But that's what this is this that was a dog bone. That was a mainstream media dog bone They chased it just like they knew they would I

This does not, it doesn't make sense. But. Nothing makes sense. And. You think I should protect a kicker in fantasy football? gotta pick. You know, I think I would. I gotta pick 12 players and I've got Brandon Aubrey of the Cowboys and he's money. So I was thinking maybe I should. This does not make any sense because I really don't think that Trump is in the Epstein files. I mean, it's possible, but it really would make.

It doesn't make any sense that they haven't used that against him yet.

Speaker 1 (57:41.344)
All I did is they would have put it out there big time. just this is normally the part of the program where I try to calculate how much vodka I should consume, but not knowing how long Ashton is going to be and how long he's going to be with us. I'm having a tough time. Just do it. math just shut it down. I have a tough time with math as it is. And now it's like I'm trying to figure out the Lori and Patriot says, so are we done winning?

brother. All right. So it's gonna be interesting to see what's next. Let me see what else I have here. let me play this clip. Ashton doesn't need to see this to address it, but he posted this about three or four weeks ago. I think it was. This is a clip from Tucker Carlson, Catherine Fitz, formerly of the Bush administration. Second Bush, believe. Watch this right here. This is interesting. Talking about,

Talking about that energy man that they're keeping from us. Hang on. Isn't this good? It's very good. All right. There it is. Thank you, Tucker.

So how convinced are you that breakthrough energy, alternate forms of energy, non-publicly disclosed forms of energy are in use by the US government?

Hmm

Speaker 1 (59:07.616)
her, yes. There's a very high chance that they're in some kind of use in a very controlled secret way.

Well, there tons of indications and you've had a number of people, like at the contractor level, like I'm a federal contractor or electrician or a concrete guy or whatever and I was working on this underground facility, are a number of people who come forward to say this and I saw, appeared to be some brand new form of energy I didn't understand. Insane people too. Sean Ryan, who's a friend of my wonderful guy, honest man, who's a podcaster, did an interview with this guy, was just like a

just a random blue collar guy. I think he was a concrete guy. And he got a call for a million yards of concrete or whatever and went to this underground facility, DOD facility, and saw clearly signs of some energy source that was defied the laws of known physics. And there are a bunch of people who have said stuff like that. So I don't think it's

in

Speaker 1 (01:00:05.184)
I have two businesses, one is the salary report, the other is salary screens. I do an investment screen. I think a lot has to shift in investment if we're going to have a real civilization and not misallocate. I think we're misallocating capital terribly anyway. You think? For 30 years, it's been an investor in a breakthrough energy company. Yeah. It's called Brilliant Light. can go look at their website.

So when you know has been.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34.579)
Definitely, they swear they've got it.

And what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:45.41)
So I think this money has been taken by people who've really

Yeah, brilliant light power by hydrogen. Yep. All sorts of stuff to dark matter. By the way, who was it that just said in the in the chat? JT Black went there. Did Operation Mockingbird really end? No, it never did. Never ended. It never did. Why don't you walk us through what Operation Mockingbird is, Brad? Because we see it every day on places like, I don't know, the Drudge Report, for example. It's essentially the press being the

being the pre well, the mainstream media being the press arm of the political uniparty and getting their marching orders from whoever is, whoever is giving out the narrative of the day within the uniparty gives a, makes the phone call to the clearing house for all of the mainstream media. They then run immediately to their typewriters and start typing what they were told to type and

Put it in the paper and throw it in your front yard and they all say the same thing. you ever wonder? OK, so Ron Paul was on a podcast out of a year ago. I forgot who was. Maybe it was Tim Pool, somebody, and he was asked like the most important day in history or something like that in US history. And he said November 22nd, 1963, the day there was a coup against the sitting president. And I tend to agree. It's a very, very important day.

But do you ever think, two things, number one, what track would we be on as a country if Kennedy wasn't killed by his own government? And the other thing is, wonder where we would be as a country if there was no CIA, okay? I wonder where we'd be as a country if there was no Federal Reserve. I wonder where we'd be as a country if Lincoln didn't, nevermind, that's a previous episode.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46.222)
But you got to go back and watch that conversation America's first dictator, but we don't have different We did you know what we'd have the problems, but we would we they would be different problems. Okay? Where would we be say no, that's fair. That's it. You're absolutely right Yeah, where would we be if Ross Perot didn't drop out of the 92 election, you know?

It's just you think of these things and it's so maddening. It's like a choose your own adventure. We keep choosing the wrong adventure. But there's never going to be the it's never going to be sunshine and blue sky because that's not ever what life has been anywhere at any point in history. And it never will be. Take up drinking. But that's what drinking was invented for. That mushrooms. yeah. Mushrooms. That's right. everything else.

Jeffy apologizes does that extend to podcasting? Yeah, that's just it. It's everywhere. Mm-hmm. Okay, so remember a White House Office of Science and Technology Policy Michael Kratzio said this I don't know a couple months back I wanted I've got to have Ashton address this guy. What is he? the important thing about this clip because I watched it again before we went live here and

These are don't forget these are prepared remarks. He's not off the cuff. crap that I let the cat out of the bag. We seem to have lost focus and vision to have lowered our sights and let systems and structures and bureaucracies muddle us along. But we are capable of so much more. Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space. I'm sorry, what? Distance annihilated. Wait, what? Hold on again. This is so important. This is a.

speech. He's permit us to manipulate time and space. At least distance annihilated, caused things to grow and improve productivity.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41.39)
Obviously can be innocently explained away but yes and is they drop stuff like that just to go hey watch watch what they do when I see this see that's the other thing I hate that stuff. I know I cannot there's nothing

Speaker 1 (01:05:03.348)
It's nothing is real. Nothing is real Nothing is real and that really is trouble. It's well It doesn't even need to be troublesome because it just is and that's life and what's for lunch? Hang on. Nothing is real. I gotta check something here real quick. Just bear with me Just gonna refresh elon musk's twitter page here Nope, okay. Hold on

All right, hold hold on. So 30. Thank you for this afternoon. I see putting out another one. mean, like I said, if we weren't doing this Thursday deep dive here with Ashton here momentarily, I'd be sitting on the back patio. No, it's too hot. I'd be sitting right here talking. Oh, and I am sitting right here talking about. Listen to this. 39 minutes ago is when he tweeted out the time to drop the really big bomb. Real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.

That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT. And then 30 minutes ago, so nine minutes after that, underneath that, he tweeted as part of this thread now, mark this post for the future. The truth will come out. Mm-hmm. But he and you think about the tweet though, it's time to the real bomb. That is not saying that is nothing new. That is a theory. Call it conspiracy or not. got you. So yeah, you can believe he's not saying anything and be innocent of any crime.

yeah, and he's not saying anything that hasn't already been said. Yeah, that's no. Yeah. 100 times. So I'm telling you, this is what are they? What's the other hand doing right now? Because it's doing something. a perfect time for our enemies. No, no, no, don't know. I don't think our I don't think our eye is off the ball at the moment. I think that they've intentionally.

You just know what?

Speaker 1 (01:06:47.924)
Misdirected it's it's a magic trick. They intentionally misdirected our attention at this for some reason, but I don't know what the other reason is I Bet the cia knows the other reason I don't think they do. No, I that that's the machine. This is this is aimed at at at distracting the machine Look at this right here

read that. Just got a text from my sister-in-law asking me if Elon's tweet is true. That's how you know it's bad because she doesn't even have X. Yeah. Well, and it's all over every I bet any see like a citizen free press. What's there? Elon Musk without me, Trump would have been would have lost. That was earlier today. That was that is tame.

Compared to what we just must blast Trump without me Trump of life that was so that was at 1208 Eastern Time I'm very disappointed and I don't see them feuding publicly. I just don't see it. I may be wrong. Just don't see the two of them the two of them know too much About each other well about the crazy they know what

Public spats do they've been in them. They've orchestrated they they both know the fallout This is it's it smells orchestrated But remember elon is no conservative and he wasn't you know, a registered republican or anything like that no, he's a common sense guy. He wants to make business man. I agree so, I mean it's

It honestly this mate this makes my this may explain a lot right there flinsborg. Elon is on a bender It could be day drinking I just have a feeling this is calculated on both sides It's just way too convenient Way too convenient. Okay

Speaker 2 (01:08:46.967)
Thank

Speaker 1 (01:09:02.623)
I don't know what it's convenient for though. seems like I don't either. That's the point is that we don't what the other hand is doing. Very rarely do we. Elon surely to your point, Elon surely has had the thought. If I take down the Republican Party, if in the midterms go to the Democrats and if I take down Donald Trump in and and in effect, well.

maybe not, but in effect, destroy JD Vance's chances or whatever. If you want to keep the good times rolling with Donald Trump, surely he remembers the reason why he got behind Trump and spent $290 million on Republican rates to begin with, which is because as much as he may hate the policies and spending of Donald Trump, he hasn't forgotten the ultra. I'm not saying choose the lesser of two evils or whatever. I'm just talking strictly as Elon Musk, billionaire, business owner.

who stressed over and over again the importance of the 2024 election to the future of not only his businesses, but our country. Surely he understands the damage that he is doing in the last 48 hours. Does he? And don't call me Shirley. just, yeah, there's, this is manufactured. If I had to guess, to my head, it's manufactured. But for what end? I don't know. I'm not that smart.

I can just I'm just I wish I was smart too, but you know how better the show would be if I was smart marginally

Huh? Mila Joyce says, relax. You're both acting like children. This isn't even worth blowing up the country. Get back to spending cuts, you know, to save the country. I'm telling you, just, doesn't make sense to anybody. And that's why it's not. Is it possible that it's Wait. Yeah. But I don't think it is. I think this is something else, but I don't know what it is. So do me a favor. When you figure out the reason this is manufactured.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06.67)
If you continue down this road, no pressure, but if you do and you figure it out and you tweet it out I want you to text me the link to your tweet because I can't wait to see what kind of conclusion you get I mean since I stalk you I know everything you tweet obviously your posts right? In case it slips through and I miss your response. It's just like how we're saying is a project mockingbird in real time I think that's what it is. It's both of them are way too smart. They knew exactly what this would do and they're

and and the the the the alternative to donald trump and the republican party is the democrat party which is jumping out of the uh is jumping straight into the fire and and elon doesn't want that and Unless he has unless elon walked into the oval office and saw uh donald trump zipping the the human skin suit back up over a lizard head

Uh oh, hang on. Uh oh. Oh no. Oh no. mean if that happened then he'd be a holy I've got to hang on a second. I know what set Elon off. Oh damn. What? What time is that? What time's the Elon tweet? Central time. 45 minutes ago, right? So it's four o'clock Eastern, 3 15 Eastern. Okay, so at 1 37 Central, 2 37 Eastern, Trump posted on Truth Social.

Remember how I said he hasn't been addressing Elon directly on Truth? Here we go. Trump posted, and I guess I could just show you this. Hang on. Instead of just read it. How lame is that? Who wants to just hear me read? Here we go. I would listen to you read. Let's see, that's the thing. Let's see, I guess, yeah, sure. Do we read these anymore? Accept. What did I just accept? Elon was wearing thin, Donald Trump wrote. I asked him to leave.

took away his EV mandate and forced everyone to buy electric cars that nobody else wanted that he knew for months I was going to do and he just went crazy. See, that doesn't make sense. That does. That sounds. No, this is okay. I can't wait to see. I and I may end up eating my words but this just does not sound real. It sounds manufactured. For what end? Stacey says it's all made up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31.15)
Seriously Walter, that'd be one hefty lizard person. Yeah I just they're both both of these guys are are way too smart to just Go all fifth grade on each other in the Are they? So, have you ever had these little mate made good things? Carrie buys these and there we go. They're granola minis and i've just been hungry over here, you know, i've been eating them and

was thinking about having some snack in here, but then I thought I would spit everything all over everything and I didn't want to do that. But I'm a little pissed because and maybe I'll go back and check the tape. No, I won't but somebody can. I'm pretty sure that the first bag had seven of these little granola balls and this second pack only has six. Isn't that your nickname in high school? Granola balls? Should be somebody's nickname. That's good. It should be. Yes,

granola balls, come here. That's too many syllables. on. Nola balls. Yeah, that works. Tim Poole says, I guess they were right when they said Elon and Trump would go to war eventually. It just doesn't. No, this, does not. love, I love how Brad is all about. No, this isn't, this isn't manufactured. It just doesn't feel right. My Spidey sense is tingling. Big time. Something's tingling.

Chris Matthews, is that you? What did I sit on? Whoa. That's not mine. It's not my chair. No way. That's not. Yeah. So I got a text here. Let me see if it's our guest joining in a couple. Oh, good. Here we go. Astro forms is uh I mean it's my bag got delivered to so now I'm all excited to go out and find my bag. It's on the front. Uh so it's in the lobby of the motel here and I just uh

What kind of bag you talking about? Well, I needed a good bag to hold my stuff in all my schnizz and because I didn't want it like a backpack. I just wanted something that was big enough that if I wanted to have like my like an iPad or something in it and you know, things that go bang that I could have that and you know, a nurse essentially, but I wanted to be kind of butch so that people are like, Whoa, he's that's and so I ordered one and I'm anxious to see if it's the right size because

Speaker 1 (01:15:55.15)
I went to a bunch of stores and looked and they didn't have anything that I wanted and it looked like, you know, Amazon would deliver it, you know, right to the doorstep, which again, I, you gotta love this country. I'm so confused. I'm not really confused. I'm just in the back of my mind that all of my Ram right now is still sorting through.

So it's like I'm trying to reset after you. think it will, but it's it's like trying to word process while all the RAM is being sucked up by the reason thing. The RAM is the temporary. Yes, yeah memory. I don't know why I remember that. That's what it. Because you're using your RAM to remember that random access memory. it's not. all my wrong to remember that, because. I I've remembered it for so many years, so I think I'm using my ROM to remember that there's RAM.

Well, are you using your CD-ROM? That would be read-only memory. I miss those. I having like video games on CD-ROMs. I miss floppies. Yeah. Who doesn't love a good floppy? Right? it'd be a good time for Ashton to appear at the bottom. my goodness! What a perfect timing! I was just saying, Ashton.

What a perfect time this would be for Ashton to appear and magically he did. I should have tried that an hour ago. Sir, how are you?

Hey, guys. How's it going? Yeah, doing well. know, busy day.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28.858)
He hasn't heard yet. He hasn't seen. Okay, so you've been busy Ashton and we've been we played a few videos that we'll go over with you here. But since you've been so busy, are you aware of the breaking news? The online feud right now between Donald Trump and Elon Musk. It has getting out of control.

So yeah, I mean, I'm the one. Let me just set the record straight. Elon Musk has no idea about this advanced technology. He's either an Oscar winning actor in disguise or he just literally has no idea whatsoever. And Trump does know Trump definitely knows. He knows we have weapons. Nobody understands. He said it multiple times. That's not a mistake. Anytime the president is doing, you know, public statements and repeating the exact same line verbatim, that means that's a narrative that they've written into it to get that information disseminated.

Same reason why Kratzios, the science and technology advisor, saying that we have technology that can manipulate time and space. I mean, he's not messing around. We literally have it. It's Tesla technology. If you want to think of it like that, goes back to Tesla's science's view of the ether, his view that space time is this medium that we can interact with, which opens the door to wireless communication and wireless energy as well.

I just, it's so fascinating, man. And I genuinely believe that you, sir, you, for the last three years, it's just been fascinating to watch you go down this trail and uncover this stuff piece by piece by piece to the point where now you're considering that you're an enemy of the state. And I don't doubt that at all. I mean, seriously, but what we,

I want to play some things for you, but before we do that. Hi Ashton, by the way, good to see you. I'm Brad is hanging out here with us and he's over at the DailyMojo.com. I'm thinking I'm just there's so many things running through my mind right now. What a day Ashton, what a day. So earlier we played the the Gorgon Stair thing that you revealed a few weeks ago. I think the version I played had had spliced into it some MH370 video that wasn't a part of the original video.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43.726)
I accidentally played that one, but it fits perfectly. It's a beauty. I bet you're the one that did that. But it's really great. So can you just kind of explain where we're at? Just to kind of reset, MH370 vanishes over a decade ago. Ashton finds a video online. He sees that the plane disappeared, tries to figure out what's going on with the orbs around it. See behind him, the four orbs thing back there. It just vanished.

And so piece by piece, Ashton has been peeling the layers off of this onion for the last three years out in public with experts with different sources. I mean, it's just fascinating. So pick it up there, Ashton, where the developments in the last, I don't know, month or two, especially how the Gorgon Stair element works in here.

Yeah, I think it's probably important for me to explain how the Gorgon Stair revelation occurred. People have been saying Gorgon Stair in my replies and on my live streams and I hadn't really noticed because I had been inundated with the idea that the one video must be coming from a satellite because it's called satellite video airliner and UFOs and bottom left corner it says NRL 22. So what does this all mean? And it looks like we're looking at a plane from really far away, right in the video. That's what it looks like.

Well, it turns out Gorgon Stair Wide Area Motion Imagery is set to look like a satellite video. That's the point of it. In fact, it's like Google Earth interactive 3D video Google Earth. And Gorgon Stair is actually recorded by a drone with cameras underneath the drones flying at altitude. And the first thing that started to me down this path was that, well, the plane is flying really low. I've been saying that for two years. The plane's flying really low in the videos because of cumulus clouds.

So was it actually possible that there could be another aircraft above it recording it? And people had mentioned this and I had kind of just dismissed it. But when I started to ask AI about looking at the picture, analyzing the distance and said, yeah, the drone above it's about 18,000 feet. And that's well within the parameters of a drone flying above it. And the other thing simultaneously, I had already been down this path that the camera recording that must have been Argus IR. I found this DARPA contract that was like 2012, 2010 to 2014 right before this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04.754)
about this super advanced camera that's made for nighttime surveillance that was connected to wide area motion imagery. And I had already determined that what we looking at there is not video in the satellite video. It's wide area motion imagery, which has a specific definition. Anything under a various under like 24 frames per second is not considered video because that's just by definition. Whammy wide area motion imagery is a low frame rate.

resolution because it's looking over a city sized area and creating a full interactive view of that. And how it works is Argus takes pictures like I think it's like 384 pictures multiple times per second. Or no. Yeah, six times per second or 10. It depends like the frame rates actually gotten better over time. So what we're looking at that video is six frames per second. And then I went, Okay, I've got this Argus camera, how does this connect to the whammy and I decided

One day, is my own research, check all the Whammy capabilities using AI. AI has gotten really good and it has all the public data. So tell me all the Whammy capabilities, which ones would have nighttime capability? Reduced it down to three right away. Angel Fire, think it was called, which is an older version of Whammy, can rule that one out. Argus, the one that I had identified and been talking about. And Gorgon Stair.

And so I'm trying to figure out, I'm looking at the two capabilities, they look almost the same and I'm trying to figure out what's the difference between these. How do I know which one it is? And I'm like, at this point, it's gotta be one of these two. And then I started digging into the links and I find out Argus got integrated with Gorgon Stair in something called Gorgon Stair increment two. And I go, holy shit. next thing I know, I'm Googling, I'm looking through my own replies, searching for Gorgon Stair and there's a bunch of people being like,

When I had figured out it was whammy, they're going gorgon stair, gorgon stair. And I got in touch with somebody that worked at China Lake on Big Safari, which is where they test all the drones and the surveillance capabilities. And they said, I've seen all the gorgon stairs or a lot of them. And that is no doubt gorgon stair imagery.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24.718)
The ability because the drones can fly for more than 12 hours. So all you need is two drones. One drone goes up, the other one comes down while the one's refueling the next one goes up. And there's as long as there's an overlap, they're constantly recording that data and that data is being beamed through the satellite. And our old 22 is the relay satellite to the drone, the drone shooting that information to the relay satellite and our old 22 that beams it to the ground based computers.

potentially through Sierra Nevada Corporation's own servers. And then that gets produced and built into this interactive map, which gets fed to the Joint Tactical Intelligence Network. Who's that? That's the special covert operations people. That's the people beyond SEAL Team Six, Delta Force. That's like the special people they pull from that. The people that go on these operations, it's called going through the green door. You get one of these green door assignments. It's the kind of thing where

In special circles, it means everything, but you don't really get to put it on your resume because you can't talk about what you did and why you did. And now the last thing I'll say is why is this important? Because nobody who was on that operation would ever leak this video. Never in a million years. They're never, ever, ever going to pick somebody to be on this operation that has anything more than a 0 % chance of ever revealing this information. This is how they've been so good at keeping all this stuff secret. You just never. Yeah. Yeah.

opposite of Bob Lazar.

And so you would never have like a Bob Lazar scenario like this. So who leaked it? Edward Lin. Edward Lin wasn't on the operation. Edward Lin was in the VPU two wizards. What I think happened now, now that everything's coming to focus is that somebody, one of his Taiwanese contacts reached out to him and said, Hey, that missing plane, you should try to figure out where it's at. Go log into the system. He logs into the system, sees the Gorgon stare, boom, sees the videos. What happens? He immediately knows we're covering it up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19.052)
He immediately knows the situation. That is a covert operation and what he freaks out. You're a patriotic American and you see your country is running an illegal operation and they're covering it up. They're literally covering up in real time. You're watching the media lie on TV about it. You're watching the government pretend like they don't know what's going on when they're the ones orchestrating the cover up in real time. So he downloads it. He brings his laptop in, which has unsecured USB ports.

And he puts it on his laptop, plugs the USB port in and walks away with it. And then he gives it to his Taiwanese person who might be registered and on and they upload it on the Internet. Boom. Now you've got the videos leaked on the Internet. And. He's as far as I know, he's in hiding, which of course he's in hiding. He legally changed his name. He's in hiding. His lawyer has turned off his phone. None of them will return any phone calls that I make.

the line.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15.958)
and I've, I've contacted his point of business where he owns a business out there. I don't want to say what, cause I don't want to harass him, but they won't contact me back. So I talked to somebody in the VPU two wizards recently, somebody that actually worked in the VPU two, we had crossover with Edward Lin and they confirmed to me, they didn't give me anything classified. So feds don't, don't freak out. I actually specifically said, don't say or tell me anything that's classified. I'm trying to play that game. and I don't need it. I don't need it.

And they said, yes, Edward Lin would have had access to that Gorgon stair capability. And I was like, you mean he would have access to something that sensitive? Like we're looking at orbs zappa playing on this guy. He's like, yeah, no question. Would have had access. And he also said something that was not reported in the media that Edward Lin, when he got rolled up in May, when he was caught with those flight manifests that include search and rescue code names, he was caught with USB drives, flash drives at that time as well.

And that makes a lot of sense because that's why they were coming, you know, come down on somebody because of what you got a flight manifest. Who cares about that? No, we had USB drives with the videos on them that caught him with USB drive, the data.

And what month did the plane did 370 go missing? March.

Yeah, more than he gets rolled up in May. Now, the weird part is the public to the public, they say that they arrested him in September of 2015, like a year, a year and a half later than that. So this story doesn't make any sense because the moment you suspect somebody is like, you know, like whatever he's a traitor, you're not going to give him let him go back to work. Right. Like, go back to the super secret area. But maybe they did. And they were just watching him. Right. So

Speaker 2 (01:29:03.104)
you like

Part of the reason I asked that is because it went missing in March and this press release that you were talking about, Sierra Nevada and the corporation and working those two, persistent, the Gorgon Stair and the other, the press release on those two merging is July 1st, 2014 on that press release.

Yeah, how crazy that date. So this is why the videos are so damning. They had surveillance capabilities that they hadn't even had press releases for yet. Like they were looking at Gorgons their increment to three or four months before the press release. But they obviously they were working on before that. So now we're looking at people had sequestered technology, right? These people, whoever is running the operation, they're using cutting edge stuff that there's not even really being publicly talked about yet, including the camera, the other video.

The one where people are going, there's no color FLIR. That's what people were saying to me at the beginning of this. No, that is color FLIR. They're using a color palette to colorize the FLIR video. And that capability, if that is the Lightning G4 by Northrop Grumman, which is what that China Lake source kind of led me down the path and it looks exactly like it is that camera. That color standard capability, it wasn't being bragged about until 2021. Now it may have been standard on the G4, but

The interesting thing about the G4 Lightning pod is that it was the first one that became like upgradable, like you could customize the kit. So theoretically, when I log in, I can customize my setup for my camera so it's different than somebody else's. And theoretically, that allows for software upgrades as well. they were using two sensors that were like state of the art to record that plane in that operation.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44.974)
So you mentioned what was it China Lake is that what you I forget you just mentioned

Yeah, trying to like the big safari project, is the surveillance thing.

Well, before you joined us, I played a clip and I don't need to play it again because I'm sure it's familiar to you. But in fact, I probably if I'm being honest, I probably got this clip off of your feed somewhere. But the Don Phillips clip from 2001, does that ring a bell with you? Yeah, he mentioned that. He mentioned the whole manipulation of time.

Junkworks, US Air Force.

this guy right here okay so I wasn't gonna play this again but didn't he say that he was talking about China Lake in this clip? 25 years ago?

Speaker 2 (01:31:28.974)
to like Area 51. what he says here, people get confused by this. He's saying that the orbs are us. He's saying that they knew the orbs were us because the test flight facility, he was working at the air, he was with the Air Force, but he had worked at Lockheed Martin. And so when he sees these orbs flying around coalescing, and then teleporting something or disappearing, which is what he says, they disappear, they spin in a circle and they disappear. He's saying that he knew that that was a test.

a flight test because he's looking at the flight test facility that they used to test stuff on. So that's why he's so calm when he's just sitting here going, yeah, we saw some orbs get into formation and spin around and then just zap away. And so this is where to me, this is important because it starts to give us a timeframe for how long and who's been working on this. I would bet anything those orbs are Lockheed Martin. I mean, that's who they are. That's not Air Force standard technology. Like that's Lockheed Martin's orbs.

We've got Northrop Grumman's camera. We've got Sierra Nevada corporations whammy capability. We're starting to realize all these defense contractors, they're all in bed with one another. The people in the know, they're all doing these, you know, they all know this. Like imagine at a bare minimum, Sierra Nevada corporation, Northrop Grumman and probably Lockheed Martin all know those videos are real. Why do they know? Because they built the shit we're looking at in.

Go ahead. Sorry. That's that's a perfect segue into what today's topic was that really? When we were talking to you on pack ray unleashed a few weeks ago that really stuck out to me toward the end of the conversation you mentioned a couple of names Of I guess gatekeepers for this technology. There are people there are companies You just mentioned several of them right there that are keeping

this technology under wraps, this world changing technology. And so that's what I wanted to have you on today to discuss. Can you give us some names of who is keeping this stuff from us and why?

Speaker 2 (01:33:30.702)
Yeah, it's straight up free energy technology. Don't let anybody gaslight you. It is straight up free energy technology. The point where they started to get afraid of me last year was when I realized that it was free energy that this was all I mean, you're if you're watching a plane get teleported, there's a size of a Boeing 777 massive airplane, the amount of mass energy in this is huge. And then you have this tiny little blip. And it's just gone. And now it's somewhere else. You just transferred a huge amount of energy from one location to the other.

and it didn't take that much energy to pull it off. That proves that you should be able to, in theory, teleport energy from somewhere else in the universe to where you're at and have it be a net gain. So right off the bat, it's all about free energy. And the papers that everybody needs to look at are the Defense Intelligence Reference Documents, also known as the DIRDs. Get that into your vocabulary right now. The Defense Intelligence Reference Documents are the most important scientific papers in human history.

They are 38 papers that were commissioned by Hal Pudoff through the Defense Intelligence Agency to say, where is science gonna be in 2050? What it really means is here are all the black project engineers that have been doing sketchy secret shit that they can't really talk about, but they can give you the concepts of what they've been talking about because publicly this stuff will become a reality by 2050. That's what the papers are saying. Those papers are

If you really add them up, it explains everything we see in the MH370 videos and it's not a coincidence.

Take a look at that Keith grab that the screen that I've got this is the that's from 2009 Metallic glad is the

Speaker 2 (01:35:16.138)
Yes, we found the whole archive here. So if you see on the left side of all 38 dirts listed out, except for one I think is still classified, there's a laser powered one that's still classified. And we've got everything here from meta materials to teleportation protocols to wormholes warp drives extracting

Visibility cloaking theory. Can you zoom in on that, Brian? That list?

everything.

The invisibility one, what this paper says is the best way to make something invisible is to bend space-time around you entirely. make yourself invisible. But even what the papers say, they're even crazier than what they say. And I read the one last night about, I did a whole live stream about the quantum teleportation and the experiments that they've done about quantum teleportation. And it's just mind-blowing.

optical closeup.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08.962)
you actually they don't have the author names on the papers, but you can find them. Like I actually dug around, I found all the author names. And these guys are not these are like some of the smartest minds in the entire world. Fried, Wart, Winner Berg, who was he was taught under Werner von Braun. my goodness, a project paperclip scientist that we brought over. expert at fusion.

And he has this plank ether app. He wrote two or three of these. The other one that he wrote is like the negative mass propulsion one as well.

Look at that one. Warp drive, warp energy, manipulation of extra dimension.

Yeah, a Boosie wrote this with Eric W Davis. So you want some names? This is your shit. How put off how put off just went on Joe Rogan. He's the one that commissioned all these papers. That means he knows all of these scientists. What does that mean? That means how put off is MJ number one. He's the guy at the top. He's 89 years old. Again, he's been he's been an Intel his whole life. Eric W Davis is his right hand man.

Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15.916)
right hand man, he wrote six of these papers, including the wormhole one, including the laser powered one, including the extracting energy from the quantum vacuum, including that warp drive one that you're looking at. Eric Davis was sitting next to Annapolina Luna in the most recent UFO hearing thing they did. She was giving him googly eyes. Why is Eric Davis getting googly eyes from Annapolina Luna as a whistleblower?

Six.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44.086)
in the UFO thing. It's not because of how many aliens he knows. He helped build the teleportation protocol that they use to teleport the plane. He's the one who helped. They brought him in because they're like, hey, you're an expert on space time manipulation. Hey, we got these magic plasma orbs that are free energy plasma orbs. Can we like, you know, turn them into a triangle and make them teleport something? And so he worked with some of these other guys, probably John Kramer.

who's the guy that wrote the quantum teleportation or non locality paper in here. They all work together and they figured this stuff out. Or Lockheed Martin has been like individually hiring these guys and then Lockheed Martin just put all their work together. Like I don't really know what the real answer is, but like that's the story being told here from these papers. Now, one more thing I wanna bring up because you want more names. If you look at Eric W. Davis's work,

with the Air Force Research Labs in the 2000s, he wrote two insane papers. One is called teleportation physics study. It's like a 70 or 80 page paper goes through all the forms of teleportation, including the sci fi version and the real version. And he also wrote another one called ball lightning study, ball lightning, as in like taking a ball plasma and making it coherent and able to adjust.

float around. So Eric Davis was writing these papers and the project manager for all those papers was Franklin Meade. So now I'm starting to build a web where like this guy Franklin Meade at the Air Force was connected pulling together the smartest people ever. And what are they working on? Stabilizing plasma teleportation. and by the way, Frank Meade was working on perfect propulsion. Perfect propulsion?

Maybe he's got a paper that he wrote with George Miley, who's a cold fusion expert called Dense Plasma Focus 2005. In that paper, they talk about making a ball of plasma that's basically using Russian hypersonic designs. And it accumulates practically infinite energy, gigawatts of excess energy just by flying around, just by flying around through the air, it zaps the air with a laser and the

Speaker 2 (01:40:07.902)
genius engine idea, it extracts energy upstream. So the reason why those orbs are like on train tracks, looks like they're riding train tracks with these lines in front of them. Because it's shooting a laser forward, zapping the air, extracting energy from the air, and then it has this little exhaust plume behind it going out. And it's using the energy in almost a perfectly efficient way. That's why they look like they're just floating through the sky.

What's a weird day? Ashton, this is incredible,

I feel about this like I was blaming Salvatore Pais, the US Navy engineer. I was thinking he's the guy that did it because he had these patents that were out there. This is the craziest revelation. In my third interview with him, he just randomly tells me like, oh, I was trying to get a research team together after I had those patents. And I got blocked. And I'm like, what? I'm like, it wasn't how Pudoff was it?

Cool, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09.889)
And why is

Yes, it was Hal Pudoff, Jay Stratton and Eric Davis. So it turns out all the guys that wrote these papers, you guys are figuring this stuff out. They're gatekeeping anybody else from figuring it out to prevent ever, you know, from coming out. But at the same time, they've gotten older. And what I think has happened is they've they thought people were going to figure it out more than they did. And nobody's really figured it out. These papers are like 15, 20 years old.

Nobody's figuring out. So now they're going, okay, well, maybe we can let like some of it come out because like, we are suppression work way better than they expect.

the

Board and click.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15.138)
This has been Done Before.

It's crazy that they've been hiding this shit for probably and it's not that necessarily teleportation. Like I was kind of surprised to find that maybe they only figured out the teleportation part in the 2000s. So it only might be like 20 years old, which is still kind of crazy to think. They've been hiding that for that long, but they've known about this Tesla science for a hundred years. They've been hiding that for a hundred years, maybe more. And the defense contractors know it's real. The government at the top knows it's real.

People in the know know it's real. They just have no incentive whatsoever to try to convince the general public that's generally brainwashed into a false view of physics.

It's easy to hide the teleportation thing because it sounds bat shit crazy. Right.

Well, that's the weird part is it's not crazy at all. It's like 100 % consistent with normal, regular physics. was literally Einstein is the one that Einstein Rosen. I mean, that is, yeah, you know, Einstein Rosen bridge. That's what a wormhole is because Einstein knew we are in a flat topography. Okay. So we are space time is flat. It doesn't look flat, but it is. And what that means is if I have a flat surface, how do I make

Speaker 2 (01:43:24.334)
a wormhole. just do this, right? This point and this point are connected. They don't appear to be connected, but they are. So yeah.

You bend it. You have to bend it.

yeah, it's just it's bending space time through an extra dimension that we don't perceive, but it's absolutely there. It's absolutely there. And we know it's there because we can measure the the quantum fluctuations with the Casimir effect. And the connection is that space time that Einstein talked about that is filled with this zero point energy that the zero point energy is what gives space time its structure its form. So you think of space time like a sponge.

squeeze the sponge and water comes out squeeze space time and zero point energy real energy comes out of

Right, this paper cognitive limits on simultaneous control of multiple unmanned spacecraft That sounds like it's mind control Over mechanical physical mechanical structures. Is that what that sounds like?

Speaker 2 (01:44:25.486)
I haven't read this one yet, but yes, and there's no way that humans are controlling the orbs in those videos. So now I begin to wonder if this isn't more of like, what can AI do? Like how many orbs can AI control at once? Right? Like there must be a limit, presumably. I- Yeah, there's no doubt AI guidance system in those orbs. Yeah, for sure. In fact, I think I found a paper where they were working on the AI guidance system like 20, 30, 40 years ago too.

AI controlling them.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54.03)
So they just put, there's definitely a mechanical thing inside the orbs. It's like an engine and it's got a laser in it. It's got an AI guidance system. It's got a quantum communication system to communicate with the orbs externally. So it's like a Swiss army knife, those orbs are. That's why they're so impressive. I mean, I was talking to Sal, the Navy engineer, privately, I was talking to him and I was just going like, many, how many Nobel prizes do you think those orbs represent? And he's like, probably more than 12.

Like probably more than 12 Nobel prizes. That's how crazy far ahead they are. Like it's just absurd. And so all the answers are there. They're just all in these papers. And these papers, again, these are 15, 20 year old papers. Like even though they were published in 2010, some of these are from the science that was like classified, but not like widely spread in 2005 and the 2000s.

Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42.131)
And yeah, laser light craft nano satellites.

That one's good. Yeah. They've just figured out and a lot of these, if you read between the lines, they've just figured out how to make a single stage to orbit craft using laser propulsion. So the laser propulsion you see on those orbs, a single stage to orbit just means like one thing that goes straight to orbit. And the big thing they had to get rid of was the fuel tanks. Get rid of the fuel tanks. So what are you going to use as fuel instead? We're just going to use the air. There's hydrogen in the air. There's oxygen in the air. We have what we need in the air.

If we zap the air and cause the air molecules to just come apart, boom. Now we're doing.

That's the air breathing propulsion.

Yeah, this is the most amazing paper ever. This one, I didn't know what the hell any of that meant. Really what this means if you just break it down, they're using magnetism and this hypersonic jet that just flies around to have it just produce energy because it's flying around. And they use the speed, the speed of this thing flying around creates a shockwave. Well, the shockwave acts like a Z pinch effect like infusion. So it forces things to come together.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52.972)
And when that happens, molecules fuse. So they've actually turned this engine into a drone that is also a fusion reactor that's just producing energy. And that's why they say that in the dense plasma focus paper by Frank Mead, that they're producing gigawatts of excess energy with Q factors of three to six or higher. Q factor is the over unity factor, meaning how much more energy out are you getting than you're using.

And they said it was three to six. If we had a consistent Q factor of three from any fusion reactor on this planet, we'd probably already be in free energy utopia right now. So like, that's three times the amount of energy out that's going in. What are we talking about here? Like, how are people not reading what it's written on the paper?

Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42.19)
Okay, because most people don't understand my brain is bleeding right now. Right. Exactly. I grasp some of what you're saying and it's going to hit me later on tonight. most as you're discovering this Ashton, I mean, it's absolutely fascinating. And you talk about the papers that are 10 to 15 years old. The Don Phillips clip we played is 25 years old. And so this has obviously been around for a while. So as you're

going through this and it's absolutely fascinating. It is mind blowing and as Brad described, our brains are bleeding from it. So it's very exciting as you're uncovering this, but tell me how, what part of you is angry as you're going through this, that this has been kept from us?

Yeah, I mean, that's super pissed. I hate that they hide physics, especially because they brainwashed people. mean, I like have people, PhDs that would come into my replies that are like zero point energy is insignificant and there's no way to extract it. And I'm sitting here going, here's the paper by Robert Forward, who's a legendary engineer in 1984, proving that Casimir effect extracts energy from the vacuum. No question you can charge a battery with it. And then immediately, instead of just being admitting that they were wrong about the previous point,

immediately roll into the next NPC point of, well, there's no way to perpetually extract the energy. Well, Robert Ford was working on that, too. It's just like the I just it's so disappointing to find that it's like when you meet your heroes and find out they're all frauds. Right. Like it turns out all these academics, none of them are doing any original work whatsoever. None of them are doing any research. None of them are thinking outside the box at all. Ninety nine percent of the academic PhDs are science communicators. All they do is repeat whatever they read in mainstream media.

and repeat it as if it's gospel. Or even worse, sometimes they'll debunk things like, I watched this thing, this claim that blah, blah, blah, and I debunked it. And it's like, this is what science has become is just like literally the biggest idiots in the world, pretending like they're super smart and making everybody bow down to them because they've got credentials, you know, and like the science, the peer review process just needs to go completely away. It's just completely failed us. The fact that the government

Speaker 1 (01:49:56.888)
What do you use?

Well, that's that's that's a big question. We need a better system. But just the fact that like the government is potentially 12 to maybe even 20 Nobel prizes ahead of academia. At some point, we got to say, guys, we messed up somewhere, you know, and then to answer your question, what's the system? Well, first, we to figure out what the problem is. Right? Why? How did this even happen? We can't come up with a new system until we figure out how this happened. Right. And they've been brain draining, academia, pulling in the smartest people.

letting the stupidest ones go on TV and keep saying the stupid stuff. Meanwhile, all the smart people get buried in NDAs building magical technology. So, you we probably have to start by stopping the system of suppression, right? Let's start there.

Yeah, yeah. So you mentioned H.E. is it Puthoff you said? You're saying he was the head guy?

He was.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51.884)
Poudof? yeah, Poudof's the final boss, man. I can't find anybody else that's more connected to everything. He's connected to everything. Everything. And he found Eric Davis.

Okay.

Eric Davis and under him you know you have you have the traversable wormholes you talked about star gates negative energy- you talked about him-

Let me show you the for you. in the 80s, Hal Pudoff connects with Ken Shoulders. 1980s when Ken Shoulders realized there really is an ether, ether exists. And when he realized that he's the father of microelectronics, he's the reason why we have small electronics, he realized we can stabilize a ball of plasma because there's a medium. So things are in a medium, you can make a bubble. So he starts experimenting with EVOs, stabilizing these balls of plasma. And he gets connected with Hal Pudoff and Bill Church, who is the owner of Church's Chicken.

That's their financier. Then in the early 90s, that becomes they call it condensed charge research, because the breakthrough isn't even necessarily the stabilized plasma. The breakthrough is that these charge like positive or negative charges, they're getting very dense and stacked together when that shouldn't happen because they should repel like charges repel. But what Ken Shoulder thought was they were clumping together when they shouldn't. And this is a huge boon. Why?

Speaker 2 (01:52:09.464)
because you have a huge amount of charge here and a huge amount of opposite charge here, what do you create? You create a lightning ball, very, however more dense it is, has how much energy it has. So you're creating something that's very, very energetic. That's what you're creating. And that became the second and third highest priority research for the Pentagon in the early 90s. Only behind the B2 stealth bomber and optical computing, just to give you some context of how important they considered it. And then it went dark.

And then the Marauder program happened where they started accelerating plasma toroids towards the speed of light. And that project was successful. And then that went dark. Now, why did that go dark? well, probably because they figured out they were creating stabilized plasmas that were not dissipating. Hey, we created this plasma toroid. Now it's like a smoke ring and it's just floating around there and it should have like dissipated and gone away. And then the NASA breakthrough physics propulsion happens in the 90s.

Now this is where NASA gets some of the smartest physicists, including Eric W. Davis and Hal Pudoff, and they start looking for breakthrough technologies. And all the ones that were considered likely were teleportation, wormholes, extracting energy from the quantum vacuum, et cetera. And then in the 2000s, that's when the Air Force Research Lab papers come out. Ball lightning study, teleportation physics study, dense plasma focus. So now we're seeing

all these papers that imply that these plasma balls can exist and they can start trying to put the pieces together. And then lastly, we see in the 2010s, then we see there's this guy that Renee Thibodeau, who helped figure out this perfect propulsion with the plasma, where essentially just like the motion of it itself is just perfectly efficiently using your engine. So you imagine that energy usage would be almost nothing. And that's what allows the orb to become essentially a free energy device.

So yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08.458)
Every time you talk about the movement becoming energy, think static electricity. Is it worth it?

It is exactly the same. Static electricity, you're rubbing something. What are you doing? You're ripping the electrons off of it. And so then why does static electricity happen? Because you've got this over saturation of electrons. Whenever you have more electrons and positrons, you create an asymmetry. And when there's an asymmetry, everything's trying to go back into symmetry. So when you separate the charges, what do they want to do? They want to come back together. That's why they attract, right?

That's you get out of your hand when you touch a doorknob.

Yes, now and that's just a tiny amount of electrons, right? Now imagine a plasma ball that's 20 feet wide, a 20 foot wide plasma ball of static electricity that's super, super dense. You don't want to go anywhere near that thing. The way that they zap the plane is that's a huge static electric charge and they've got it separated and stabilized. They've got it separated and stabilized so that it doesn't come back together. And then when they bring the orbs together, what happens?

Well, what happens when your hand gets too close to the doorknob? Zap.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16.174)
So where did the plane go? You may have said this before, where does it still exist? I mean, the first thing I think with that much energy happening at the same time that whatever that plane was and the people on it were, you get zapped by that much energy. Where the, do you just go poof and you're gone or where did it go?

Yeah, this will probably have to one of the last topics. I'm have to drop back here in a minute. but I have appreciated this conversation, which is so last night, I did a big deep dive into this, you really have to dig into the double slit experiment and non locality to understand time travel. It's an absolute requirement. And I found John Kramer is the guy that wrote the dirt on I don't know if you just want to go to the full screen for a second. So it's just easier for people to see here. John Kramer is the guy that wrote the dirt about the quantum

Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:56:13.326)
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17.496)
Are you

So in that paper, they figured out how to create Morse code. One of the big problems is if you create two entangled particles and separate them, well, you can interact with one of them, but you don't know how you're interacting with it. You just know you're interacting with it. So whatever you change changes the other one, but you don't know what you're doing. So if you're looking at the one side, you can't tell like, what was this supposed to mean? There's no, there's no way to tell what the key is to the code. So instead, they figured, don't even worry about that at all.

But instead what we'll do is we'll send one over here and then we'll send this one through a trap. A trap that splits it, joins it, recombines it. And then what we'll do is we'll turn a little switch. And what this switch will do is it means that this other one over here that we sent this other direction, when I switch the switch back and forth, either it becomes coherent or decoherent. And now what does this do? This creates a switch where you're flipping between a one and a zero. You're flipping between either a coherent situation or a decoherent situation. So this is our one.

And this our zero. So that means now all I have to do is flip the switch. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. And what can I do with that? I can create Morse code. I can create a computer program with it. But John Kramer showed that we don't need to worry about measuring the polarization of the entangled particles. He said we can create an apparatus where we can get a switch out of it. And now we can turn it into Morse code. then the question is, is retro causality possible? Can you go to the pass?

The quantum says that it can, right?

Speaker 2 (01:57:53.582)
Experiments show that absolutely you can the experiments in the math show that you can vary the path length of your apparatus and This will create a retro causal signal where you're already seeing the answer The scenario I give people is imagine you have your two paths and these things are going to create an image So the one path just goes straight to us and we are seeing the image in real time and we see a dog appear That tells us the other path. It's gonna create a dog on the other side

That's giving us information about the future. That's retro causality, right? I just learned that this path over here is gonna create a dog because I saw it right here and it hasn't happened for another minute. I just saw the future with that. So the question is, is that gonna be allowed? Is a paradox gonna be allowed, right? Because if you have retro causal signaling, well, what happens then if I change, you know, I see the answer, I can see the answer is gonna become a dog. What happens if I change it and say, nope, it's gonna be now a cat?

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49.41)
Well, I just changed the past. what's the universe going to do? The smartest scientists like John Archibald Wheeler, who invented the term wormhole and black hole, and Richard Feynman, who won Nobel Prize for quantum electrodynamics, their view was that the universe is deterministic and it will not allow paradoxes to happen, that nature will step in somehow and prevent it from occurring.

And what John Kramer found when he did his crowdsourced experiments in the 2000s was exactly for some reason, it just didn't work. We just couldn't send the information to the past. Now, maybe he was lying. Maybe not. Not sure. But it was interesting because when you read the paper right after it talks about we should be able to do this and we're not sure the only way to be sure is we would have to test it. But the next thing says there's one way around this around this issue of this paradox. Just build your system so there is no paradox.

That's genius. if the retro causality is an issue, well, you're telling us we can control the length of the experiment. this doesn't have to be retro causal, just shorten the length of the path so it's not retro causal anymore. And that's exactly what they did. They said, we can control the path. just make it. We can put our own limit on it. So as long as you make the path equal to whatever the wave, whatever the thing is the phase, then what happens is you now have

instant transmission, but you're never transmitting into the past. So this is really cool. Because what this means is that they created then a closed loop teleportation system. And what I mean by that is the teleportation system is a controlled system that they control every aspect of it, the ending point and the starting point. And they intentionally designed it in a way where it can never go to the past and create a time loop. Or they just know that nature won't allow it. So you just engineer around it.

So they've created an instant transmission capability, which is teleportation, 100%. It's just not teleportation back in time. And then the last thing I want to say is what can you do with this to just give you a how this would work. This means there would be zero lag for my internet type people. The simplest explanation would be you could control the Mars Rover from Earth while watching a video of it moving around in real time, despite the fact that there's an eight to 20 minute delay in the light speed of the signal to Mars.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12.824)
So actually you would be transmitting remote controlling the rover on Mars, watching it move around without the delay at all.

This is wild stuff, man. Listen, I know that this has been a day for you. And it's still, you're right in the middle of it. Before you bail on us, can I just ask you two quick questions? Number one, what's the next thing you're trying to uncover as you go down this road here three years into it? And then the second question is, I consider you a friend, man, and I just, wanna know, how are you doing?

Oh yeah, no, I'm doing great. This is the best time of my life, man. And I know those videos are real, like beyond any shadow of a doubt now. And so now it's like, what an amazing position. Like that's why I was posting today. Like I'm actually a national security risk. That's awesome. know, I'm national security concern and it probably have been this whole time and never even really realized it. And it's just, it's interesting to be in this position where the government can't say or do anything.

Sierra Nevada Corporation, I can basically just attack them and say whatever I want about them. And there's nothing they can do because if they were ever to sue me, I'm just gonna get discovery and I'm gonna be aiming directly for those videos. So or other videos, I'm sure they've got other sketchy illegal shit that they're doing too.

Yeah, they won't sue you, they'll just disappear you, which is why you gotta be careful.

Speaker 2 (02:02:32.718)
Yeah, but even that like look at the situation like imagine the thing is they've got me in a box of silence, right? You're not allowed to go on Joe Rogan or Sean Ryan or these other people that would give you authenticity. You're not allowed to be talked about on any mainstream media unless it's like NewsNation making up some bullshit about me. So you're realizing like, you know, they control the message for the most part. So for me, it's like if something like that were to happen, that's the type of Streisand effect that would break through the wall of silence like, oh, this guy mysteriously died and he was

saying that we have this teleportation capability, but mainstream media wouldn't talk about it. And now the evidence is so abundant that any journalist is actually a real journalist. All they have to do is just pick up the evidence that's already been thrown out there and be like, oh, hey, all I have to do is talk to literally anyone in the Air Force that is seeing Gorgon stare and you can confirm the videos. Like that's how easy it is to confirm news. This is why I stopped going after Edward Lin. I don't even need the guy that leaked the videos anymore. In fact, even if I got him,

most people would probably just ignore it. They would still ignore it. That's how brainwashed we are. Even if I got the guy that I identified as leaking the videos, who I've never talked to before, even if I got him to admit it, most of the world is just gonna say, he's just a lying to get the clout or they'll make up any story that to rationalize it away. And so the saddest part is, once again, if anyone disbelieves, all you have to do is talk to any source in the Air Force that's seen Gorgon's stare in the last 10 years.

and they'll confirm that that's the Gorgon Stair footage. End of debate, both videos are real, all of it's real, start coping with our new reality. So the question everybody should be asking right now, why is nobody doing that? As a five minute phone call for most journalists to get an Air Force source that can confirm that, nobody on the planet is doing it. Well, the answer to that is the same reason why I'm the only person on the planet apparently disclosing these videos, because everything's either fake, a lie, or people are just too brainwashed to see the truth. Except for you guys.

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Speaker 2 (02:04:40.248)
Yeah, check me out on Friday. Things have just been growing and growing and I'm going to be on Tim Pool in a few weeks with Dr. You from NASA. was like, how can I be as controversial as possible? How about I bring a PhD from NASA with me? And I already know what his opinion is. He loves the idea of the ether. So we're going to probably challenge all the mainstream academic perceptions and talk more about this science. So yeah, follow on.

I wish you the best. Stay safe. Keep plugging away and keep in touch and we'll have you on again sometime and have a good rest of your day, brother. And thank you for all you're doing, man. Be well. Oh my goodness. That guy is incredible. I just is he real? Is he human? What do mean? Is he? I mean, I've never touched him. I've never been in the same room with him. Is he either weirdo? Are you saying is he AI or something?

No, I'm saying does he exist? a simulation. That's right. We talked about this earlier. So the way his brain works. I know he's 20 steps ahead of me. I mean, maybe I'm bad example. He's 20 steps ahead of I really used to think I was smart and I realized that I had I could memorize things and that's why I got good grades. was in memory. All right. That's what I did. I would like remember like little tricks, you know.

Like I didn't have knowledge. just remembered like crazy phrase. Like it's already out of my head. All the stuff that I learned. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So, but, I want to, this would have been a fun thing to show Ashton, but I know he's in a hurry. He's got day from hell on his end, but, um, New York tech week is happening right now. Uh, and I bet they have none of this stuff there. So I thought that was kind of funny. The latest laser disc player though, probably.

The dirts thing is I know you got to send me that link I that's incredible. All I did was Google dirts really and it came right up and poof there. Here's something I'm going to send to Ashton. This is from a fellow radio slash TV producer that I know and he has been following this Ashton Forbes journey as well.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53.486)
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And this is a screenshot of a text that I received from him after Ashton was on with Pat, my day job a few weeks ago. I got this text. So that's the that's job. Yeah, it's a job. So the great text is from this producer buddy of mine. I'm just the blue one in between there. So he sends us I got to send this to Ashton. This goes back to MH370. OK, have a nephew that was Air Force Signals Intelligence. He says the Air Force did not help look for the missing Malaysian airplane.

He read they were helping, but he would have been doing the electronic signal search work if they were, so they didn't. Wow, very interesting. He shared that with me when I asked if there was anything interesting, but not classified, he could tell me about MH370. He said, since they didn't do any work, there was nothing to be classified.

And it's like they knew there's nothing to search for it's go look at the Titan mini sub thing Remember when that happened when they the sub imploded and then we later learned remember they All of the countdown timers that were they've got 15 hours of air, whatever it was They have 15 hours. We had the countdown clock in the corner there of you know counting down shit, they're gonna be dead in 14 hours and 59 minutes and blah blah blah and it turns out the Navy

had the listening devices and has listening devices and knew when the damn thing imploded. They knew the minute it imploded and said, well, they probably said something or either that or they didn't. And we were all playing the stupid game while for the next 15 or 40, whatever the time was. And they knew all along that the thing had gone poof and they were all dead. They keep, mean. Say what you will about Jeremiah Wright.

Speaker 1 (02:08:43.884)
Barack Obama's pastor. And there's plenty to say about him. But one of the things that he did say that is absolutely true is quote, governments lie, end quote. And my friend Mac husband said something to me not too long ago, which I had never considered, but he's right. Capitalism is brutal. And it is capitalism is brutal. One other thing here that I didn't get to play for Ashton. And again, I got to have it back on.

Uh, you, before I forget, you, uh, should have the OG blah, blah, blah on here too. Uh, a friend of mine, uh, Robert Labella, he is in the intelligence industry and he is, he's another smart one. He's like wicked smart and he talks and I just, nod. I'd known him for 40 years. Uh, cool. Please give me the information. Yeah. Uh, Mario Nafal, I don't even know to pronounce it, but he posted this, follow him just a month ago.

this was this video is coming around going around there. It's out of Columbia and can you see this think it's a little ball. Yeah, you're seeing that. What's that all about? A little orb and then they they looked at it like they is it a balloon captured it or something. It looks like a balloon. No, cuz there's nothing. Hang on a second. So, there's that. Hang on. Let me go back here. not that guy. Hey, who's that? Okay.

the world is the world. Oh yeah. So, I don't speak Spanish but there's apparently the thing right that we were just seeing. Look at that. What they would they have to catch it in a net in a net in a big net. They caught it and they're what what way II don't know. I can't speak. I'm just looking at video. This fear is not hollow. I don't know anymore, man. I've been over this with you. Uh what's the the the the sphere? What's the name of the the sphere that was in the

No, the sphere thing that they what the hell not the Dyson sphere the hell's that sphere called the Bell is it the Bell's sphere? Be LZ sphere. I think that's what it's called the bets mystery sphere Betz okay, that's mystery sphere I'll get your picture right now my picture. I'll get your picture the bets bets mystery

Speaker 1 (02:11:05.608)
Saphir and you tell me if it doesn't look like similar

Okay. So I think, I think the lesson here is that everything, everything's been around. Nothing that's hidden. Everything has been around for a long time. They just hide this stuff from us. They don't hide it. That's the, they don't hide it. I've, I found that we just don't know what to look for. Yeah. Okay. They, mean, that's been out there. The, the, papers, the dirt's papers, all I did, it took me how many seconds to find that. And we're sitting here looking at the titles of those papers going, Whoa.

That sounds what and but then you try to read it and you I have no fucking idea what any of this says So is the question not are we ever gonna have time travel? We have it but but when when are we gonna experience it you and I or people like just people Is it gonna be my kids my grandkids? No, it's way too powerful Oh weird and the the bets the the mystery sphere was discovered on my birthday in 1974. That's weird. I was exactly 10

No, we'll never have access to it because it's far too powerful and and and the the Hierarchy of power in society. We'll make sure that we don't There have always been the layers of society, I mean you go all the way back and there's always been You know and we've all bumped we've all brushed elbows with that upper you have I have You've had you you've you've stuck your toe in the water you've seen it you maybe

talk to it, but it's a different sphere of society and they will keep shit secret forever. I worry about Ashton.

Speaker 1 (02:12:55.502)
Ashton's going to be all right. He's a big boy. And I don't know that he's naive to think they'll sue him because they won't sue him. They'll just disappear one day or he'll be hacked up into little pieces and fed to the sharks if he's in a position where he's threatening because that's what they do to you. That's what happens. Look at JFK. Look at RFK. They just kill you.

Don't sue you they come on. I'm not happy thought we should wrap this up. guess Folks won't accept it. Anyway, that's just it you start talking about teleportation and people are gonna look at you like you have three heads I got yeah, whatever. What are you smoking? because it's sound is so far outside of the sphere of anything we understand and Yeah, it's the UFO thing. We know it's there. But okay great. What by the way? We have to go to Kroger because we're out of milk

That's it. So, okay. Well, boys and girls, it's been a very, very, can you believe that we've been doing this for two hours? It feels like it's been a 12 hour show because when we started, it was Elon Musk versus Donald Trump. they still, are they still pissing at each other? I don't know. I'm sure they are. don't even want to know right now. Yeah, I bet. mean, I, yeah, let me just, I kind of do though. Okay. Let me just see.

Okay, Elon retweeted a tweet oh from another friend of mine Natalie Dan Lushen and It's a 1992 Trump party with Jeffrey Epstein Just gonna leave this here and it's a retweet from Elon The Trump tariffs will cause a recession in the second half of this year. This is so manufactured this day This is this is being done for a reason But I don't know what the reason is

Okay, hang on. me, let me real quick before we part ways, let me just refresh the old truth social here. They're all drinking. Donald Trump. Uh, let me just check his, uh, truth social. Okay. Oh, here we go. Hang on. What happens when the AI robots get ahold of this technology, right? Hang on. 53 minutes ago. He line call for Trump to be impeached. The president. Uh, this is is a game.

Speaker 1 (02:15:18.048)
Here we go. This is 53 minutes ago from the president. don't mind Elon turning against me, but he should have done so months ago. Wait, what? This is one of the greatest bills ever presented to Congress. Blah, blah, blah. If it doesn't pass, OK, it doesn't. He doesn't say like, you know, this is is this is manufactured. I. But we'll know, I mean, or will we? I don't know what we will know. Yeah, OK, so a week from today we're going to do the live stream again and we'll talk about.

One of the if we haven't been kidnapped by alien kidnapped by aliens who knows at this point. You know I kind of welcome it honestly But you'll on that plane, and if I'm still here a week, okay? So that's a fair point if I'm still around a week from now. We'll be talking about one of the unknown Massacres in US history probably the biggest labor movement catalyst from a hundred years ago

And then tomorrow though, are you gonna hang out with me tomorrow or you just are you sufficiently drained after that conversation? You're be hanging out with me. I never want to see you again. Oh, no Okay, so you me and Brad I'm gonna call him five because it's five times August his name's Brad like yours and I don't want to be like saying Brad Brad So it's gonna be Brad and five I think during the course of that show

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Speaker 1 (02:17:05.738)
It's all pinned to the top. It's right up there. Everything's pinned up there. my gosh. Hang on before we go. I gotta do one last thing. One last thing. Hang on. Hang on. I went through. I cannot believe I did this. Where did I put it? I counted. I counted all of the silly live streams that I've been doing over the last couple of years. You have a guess? We should make it a cliffhanger and tell everybody tomorrow. Tomorrow. I'll find whatever I scribbled down my chicken scratch notes. I can't.

find it tomorrow. Alright, see you all tomorrow at 3 p.m. Love you, bye. See ya, thanks for joining everybody.