Speaker 2 (00:00.302)
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3 p.m. Eastern on this X channel. This is the only place that's actually live right now 3 p.m. Eastern there. Okay, that's enough words. Let me get my guest in here because my goodness I've been looking forward to this conversation. I work with a lot of good people over at my day job at the blaze and blaze TV, but the one who works the hardest, who chases down leads, who finds his own stories. I mean this guy.

my goodness, at Steve Baker USA on X, there he is, the man, the myth, the legend, Steve Baker, an investigative journalist. Is that the right title? Is that good?

Speaker 1 (02:03.054)
I mean, you can call me anything you

That's better than, like, reporter, you know? Like investigative journalist really sounds like... I'm gonna put him on a resume right there.

It's got, you know, it's got gravitas, but then you know other people just call me a insurrectionist blogger.

dude no you got street cred now man I mean that's right that's the best outcome you got the pardon and the street cred of being a former fat I don't know is that

Trump and

Speaker 2 (02:38.062)
Yes, yes. Okay, Steve Baker, if you ever want to read some of his awesome work, go to theblaze.com. And then when you go to the little search area, you just type in Steve Baker, and then voila, there you go. And you get all of his articles that come up. And in fact, an article that came up today, I we have basically breaking news, the article that just posted, and we are going to cover that extensively in the course of today's conversation. But the timing was so fortuitous for me.

because I had this thing booked where, you we just wanted to in touch based on what's going on at the FBI. It's been nine months, nine months into the new regime over there. this isn't like, this isn't a live stream hit piece necessarily. It may turn out to feel that way to some, but it's an audit. It's an audit. mean, there might be, I have no idea. There might be good stuff to share today or it might all be bad.

I know I have questions and the guy to bring us the answers is Steve Baker. And we'll go through a lot of the stories from the last nine months and we'll ask my questions and, and don't forget follow Steve Baker USA. Cause I want, hmm, this was my dream team. I'll just say that upfront. This is exactly who I wanted in the spots that they are occupying. I'm talking about director Kash Patel, assistant director Dan Bongino.

This is, but we'll get to that because this isn't a critique of those guys on a personal level whatsoever. This is who we want it. Now we're going to find out and see how well they're doing. So let's go back to the, Biden administration. Let's start there. And I think that in the course of this conversation, we have to delineate and make clear on our timelines as to which, which,

FBI we're talking about, and I know that you'll do a great job with that. But we have the COVID vaccine mandates. That's where I want to start. Because what a dreadful, dreadful overreach by Joe Biden himself, by mandating government employees and those that do contract work and anybody that wanted to call themselves a federal employee. They may, and extended to healthcare as well. It's just, whew.

Speaker 2 (05:00.568)
So I guess where I wanted to start there is, have we? I guess the better question is, are we? And the answer is probably no. There's not gonna be any revisiting of anything COVID related or anything that was unconstitutional in that realm, right? I can go ahead and mark that one off of my pipe dream list.

You know, look, I have always said that COVID was the incident, the circumstance that changed my life, because up until that point, I had, you know, over 40 years in the music business. And then over the last 20 years prior to that, I had been, you know, building a following as a hobbyist.

commentator on things, politics. you know, I started back in the really old and early days of internet, social media, which of course back then was CompuServe and AOL. And I had always had an interest in those things. And I had written some stuff or some

you know, some rags and publications, music and otherwise. But then I kind of found a little niche in AOL and those, you know, great chat groups that they used to have on different... And I had three big interests in my life at the time. was music, obviously, was one. And then science fiction, kind of a...

bit of a nerd in that regard. And then additionally was politics. So I started cutting my teeth there, writing, and started gaining a following. And then AOL turned into MySpace, you know, and so I had, God, I had four or five different MySpace pages. I had my personal page. I had a page for my bands. I had a page for my own solo music work. I had a page for

Speaker 1 (07:14.286)
politics and and so that was kind of my first blog was in the MySpace world. And of course, you know, when MySpace started imploding 2008 ish and everyone was migrating to Facebook and I had no interest in Facebook at all at the time, but everyone was leaving and MySpace was imploding and becoming much, more MySpace was becoming almost unnavigable. was, it was, it was, was,

so clunky and weird and hard to get to even work half the time. So I finally gave in and moved over there. And back in those days, had a thing, MySpace, I'm sorry, Facebook had a thing called Notes, which was their version of a blog. They no longer support it. You can actually still pull up articles that I wrote there, but you have to know what to look for. But Notes was like an add-on kind

thing that was a blog feature of Facebook at the time. And so I started building there. And then as things started growing, and it really took off for me in the campaign, the first Trump campaign, 2015, 2016, my following started exponentially growing. And because, you know, I have a more libertarian perspective, I was not a Trump supporter at the time. I was certainly not a Hillary Clinton.

supporter. In fact, was, you know, I'm being perfectly honest, I was hashtag never Trump and I was hashtag never Hillary at the time. But I felt like my perspectives were at least fair and were following it. You know, I didn't know who Trump was as a politician. You know, we know that as a person and as a guy in the media, you know, both as a celebrity and as a...

a successful businessman, a book writer, and all of these things that he had commented a lot on a lot of political. And so the one thing that I knew about him then was that he had been pretty much on every side of every issue at some point in his life. And one of the things that I loved about what he did at the time was he was just absolutely dismantling political correctness.

Speaker 1 (09:39.854)
I mean, he, in his first campaign, he probably set political correctness back five or 10 years anyway on his own by these crazy, you know, volume of tweets that he was putting out. didn't, you he took no prisoners. He didn't care what people thought about them. And, you know, he's the consummate troller and he could troll anybody anytime, you know, and he's still doing that. I mean, he's still doing that successfully to this day. But

It still wasn't enough for me to support him as a presidential candidate back in 2016. After four years of his presidency, I had him, you know, had him roughly 50-50 entering the 2020 campaign and had, you know, Joe Biden at negative 15. So, you know, I then jumped on and I did support Trump in 2020. so...

you know, for me, was, I always say, you it was just the math. And then COVID happened. And essentially, that was when, as I said, my life changed because the government took my job away from me. My income and the income of all the people that worked for me and with me in the music business was absolutely ripped out from underneath us because we could no longer do live performances. You know, my

primary income at the time was special events, that sort of that segment of the entertainment industry and, you know, not ticket sales, but special events, know, corporate events and weddings and festivals, things of that nature where my bands were playing. And that all of a sudden one day ended, you know, it was two weeks to flatten the curve, two weeks became two months. And after two months, I actually had a feeling that was going to last a couple of years.

So what I did is, and the way I always explain it is I took my hobby, you know, my sideline thing, and I moved it to the captain's chair of my life, and I moved music to the co-pilot seat of my life. And so I just reversed it. You know, I went out and bought the podcast gear, and I set up a real blog.

Speaker 1 (11:59.63)
moved it off of Facebook to the real blog. And by then, I had tens of thousands of followers. then, of course, then Facebook began throttling everything, just absolutely.

Yeah, and that actually leads me to a question that I was going to ask you. Have we seen any kind of movement on that censoring of Americans on social media and the White House had an office? And I don't know that it's fair for me to lay all this at the feet of the FBI, but they would be the arm that would pursue something like this at the Department of Justice. I just don't sense a willingness from the Trump administration

to go back over these roads and pursue this stuff. And we could talk all day about the COVID era and the mandates and the throttling and the social media wing that even Corrine Jean-Pierre admitted at a White House press briefing. Yeah, we got a room back here where we can definitely contact both.

... was Jim Saki, know, the redhead. She actually admitted in a press conference one day. To one question, said, yes, we've contacted Facebook and we're literally giving them the accounts that we think are spreading disinformation.

Maybe that's who it was.

Speaker 2 (13:19.734)
This the thing, if you're not going to pursue this kind of abridgment of our God given freedoms, then it's just going to happen again. It's going to be a different scenario, but it's going to be the same kind of outcome. And again, this conversation today is meant to go through the FBI and see what they've been up to.

Well, let's start. mean, let's start there. But under that previous regime and the under the Biden FBI, we know from the Twitter files that the FBI had as many as 70 agents up to 100, including the CIA agents that they had that were office in the Twitter building.

I bet even they would show up for work every day. I don't think I've ever heard that.

Right, that right, and I-

Yeah, that was revealed from the Twitter files themselves. Wow. And so they were obviously there. They were watching and monitoring. Look, okay. Look, because social media is also used for a lot of nefarious things like child porn and other types of illegal activities, there could in fact be legitimate reasons. But we also know out of the words of their own mouths,

Speaker 1 (14:44.462)
I go back to Jen Psaki saying that with her outside voice is that, we're talking to Facebook about these accounts that we believe are spreading COVID disinformation.

know the fate of specific agents that that carry this stuff out?

No. Not that at all. So, I mean, look, when we look at those things, we have to look at them fairly as we can. We look for the plausible explanations first. But then we also know that during that time that this was a main focus was to take down, suppress, throttle the account. And I, you know, being and having a...

You know, I didn't have an account with millions of followers, but I had tens of thousands of followers at the time and I saw what they did to my reach. And I went from the average article that I would post back in those days. This is prior to 2020, especially. Now, so, you know, the difference between 2016 and 2020 for me was about 20,000 followers. So go from 20,000 to 14,000.

to 40,000 during that time period. And so even when I only had 20,000 and less, my average piece that I would put out would have the views or impressions or however you want to describe it. An average of 150,000 people saw the stuff that I put out. After they started throttling me, the same articles with twice the following

Speaker 1 (16:21.932)
would get a few hundred, maybe a couple of- Wow.

And that was down from, you said 150 to...

thousand as an average. crap. Because back, back in those days, Facebook had really good backend, you know, support tracking. could see that. And then, and then as, as they started the throttling and reach restriction regime, they started taking our tools away and giving us less and less and less, but we could still see the number of impressions per post per article, whatever we were putting out. And, and so they, by the time, by the time

we were a couple of months into the COVID thing, they had just destroyed me. And I mean, this is not the topic of today, but this was what was happening at the time. And even with a smaller following such as mine at the time of just a few tens of thousands of people, it was very evident what they were doing. And of course, then when you start talking about trying to monetize that, was just impossible.

because I couldn't, even though I was actively trying to move people over to my real blog site at the time, I couldn't reach them.

Speaker 2 (17:37.23)
Oh, yeah, right, right. But see now, Kenneth Parker, when I said I don't remember the FBI agents in there, he's like, yeah, I said I forgot about that if I even knew it in the beginning with everyone forgot about the Twitter files, no trials yet. This is what I'm saying, man. It's like if anybody well, I don't know. I'm not on the inside of the J. Hoover building. I don't know this for a fact. But you would assume that you would at least have access to who these agents were that were tasked with enforcing these unconstitutional

rules, these mandates from on high and, maybe they have, and we just don't know. Maybe they're part of the people that have been swept out the door, but if that's the case, please make a bigger show of that so that we know that you're taking care and you're, taking out the, the trash there.

Here's what we are seeing. mean, just recently, you know, YouTube a week or so ago talked about how they're going to start allowing accounts that they had actually shut off. They would start bringing those back. Obviously, when Elon bought Twitter, turned it into X, he started bringing people back on that had been blocked.

That feels like a Twitter decision, not an FBI win.

Right, no, that's not a win there. then, you know, Facebook Meta, they have relaxed standards somewhat. In fact, even now, even though I still have... I mean, I have a fraction of the reach on Facebook that I used to have, but I get little notices from them all the time in my notifications that, hey,

Speaker 1 (19:10.446)
because you've been posting quality content, have increased your reach by 60%. Well, know, 60 % of 1 % of what I used to have is not a big deal, you know, so it's still not back to what it used to be, but.

But see this FBI put the full weight and force of its law enforcement branch against people like you, whose biggest crime. Let's just go there. Let's let's go to January 6th, who? Yeah, you know, this is this is your this is your Magnus Opus. What is it called? I don't know what it's called. Anyway, this is when you went into the Capitol and they have no problem.

um, uh, turning the, the, so to speak. Well, I guess in some cases it's not just a hyperbole to say turn the guns of the government on you and on, individuals like grandmas and it was just taking an unscheduled tour of the Capitol that day. But it's, it's like, you just, you get to a point where you're like, there's never going to be any justice. And so, uh, that brings me to a tweet that, uh, caught my eye a few weeks back from you.

where you were quote tweeting something that director Cash Patel had said, where he said the 274 FBI agents were thrown into crowd control on January 6th against FBI standards. That failure was on corrupt leadership. Thanks to agents stepping up, the truth is coming out. What did Steve Baker say? Steve Baker said, this is 1000 % bullshit. No one has had more time in the capital CCTV viewing room than me and my partner, it Hanneman? Joe Hanneman.

We've never seen a single frame of video showing plainclothes FBI assisting uniformed LEOs in either crowd control or protecting the Capitol. What do mean there, Steve?

Speaker 1 (21:03.606)
Well, first of all, let's just be, let's, let's be completely clear on this because this was the first, I think this was the first post I have ever made on X in the years that I've been there that I, I didn't get ratioed. I still had, you know, a higher percentage supporting me than otherwise, but this is the first time I had hundreds of people coming out against this post because they misunderstood what I said. It was bullshit, not what cash said, because what cash said was correct.

according to the report and according to what they discovered was that in fact these 274 agents had been called to the Capitol to do crowd control. Now that is correct. But what I was calling bullshit on is that they did crowd control because they didn't. There's just no video evidence of them. Now, first of all, the agents that were showing up that day were showing up late, the ones that were part of this 274.

No, let's not confuse that with any possibility that other agents were already there doing other things. But the reality is that this 274 that were called after the violence erupted, after the shit show had begun, was these 274 agents were... And you have to get into the understanding the difference between plain clothes and undercover.

First of all, FBI doesn't have uniforms, okay? Unless they're... Yeah, it's tacky. Right, right. Well, I mean, now when they show up at your house for a knock and talk, you know, because you posted something they don't like on Facebook or Twitter, because they still do that, by the way. And when they do show up, you know, they might be in jeans and a flannel shirt, whatever, they still have to identify themselves. But when they are called to an event...

and polo shirt.

Speaker 1 (22:55.938)
The one thing that they typically do like this is they all have, you know, they all have, ballistic vests. And so they go grab those out of their car, out of their office or go home and grab wherever they keep them. And they put their ballistic vests on. clearly says FBI across the front and the back. They display their badges. They've got their sidearm on. They don't show up incognito. That's the difference between plain clothes and undercover. Undercover.

is a completely different designation and it's an actual operation if they're on an undercover operation. Now there's also the typical thing that happens at a large event like this is they do show up with counter surveillance teams who are also not identified. And that's something we want at big political events. We don't want people that are doing the various things not being seen.

As I say, as a libertarian, the only moral function of a government is to protect its citizens from force and fraud. so, whether it's showing up at a Taylor Swift concert with 20,000 people, or if it's showing up at the Capitol with half a million people on January 6th, or if it's showing up at any other big rally, left, right, center, it doesn't matter if it's the women's pink hat vagina march, or if it's

You know, Glenn Beck rally at the Capitol with 600,000 people. It doesn't matter. We want them there because we don't want people sneaking in with bomb bags and...

Sorry, I'm sorry, when I hear the phrase, pink hat vagina march, I have to start drinking from the grimace glass. Tenure, please.

Speaker 1 (24:41.656)
Yeah. So it's something that we want and we want them to show up with their counter surveillance teams to keep us safe from the nefarious characters. Unfortunately, according to the January 6th select committee, Pelosi's select committee, and from the guy who was the assistant director in charge of the Washington field office at the time, Steve D'Antuano, they did not deploy counter surveillance teams.

that day. Now that seems incomprehensible considering that, you know, that's one of the things that they're really good at in Washington through the park police, that's the Department of Interior. They're able to monitor and see how many people are coming to town for an event. They can actually do that. They can, you know, it's how many flights are coming, how many planes are booked, trains are booked, buses are booked, hotels are booked. They can get an estimate on how many people are coming.

And one of the things that they did not do was declare that a national security event. I think they call it an SSE. I forget what the other S is for. But the point then is they did not declare it an NSSE day. Whereas by contrast, our friend that was just recently assassinated, Charlie, his funeral in Arizona was declared an NSSE. And they had...

counter surveillance out there to keep the crowds, the audience safe as they were arriving and attending the event. And so it's incomprehensible that January 6th was not. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you why.

Okay, thanks for reading my mind.

Speaker 1 (26:26.062)
All right, for starters, okay, you had the big rally there. Now, the big rally was put on by an organization called Women for America First. All right, they actually organized, pulled the permits for the rally at the ellipse that's in front of the White House where Trump would be speaking. And according to the rules of COVID at the time, they could only put on the permits

5,000 attendees. was the COVID restriction was the limit they could have. Even though they knew that tens of thousands more than that, if not hundreds of thousands would be attending as they're actually filling out the paperwork, they are being dictated to by the clerks there at the department of interior. No, you can't put that many people on there. You can only say, if you say more than 5,000, you're going to be turned down from for your vent. Now, how do I know that? Because I've interviewed the WFAF.

So we know that they had to do that. so anyway, in the days leading up, because they were aware that more people were going to be coming, they did expand the permit from like, you know, total of ultimately 15,000 to like 30,000. And of course, infinitely larger number than that showed up. And then in addition to that, there were six additional permits

that had been signed off on by the Capitol Police Assistant Chief, Yogananda Pittman, she had signed off on six protests, what they call First Amendment protests, on the Capitol grounds that day. So we knew that there were other events that were going to be taking place at the Capitol that day. Over that entire course, because there were events the night before on the 5th, we know that there was something on the order of

82, and this is between all the departments, Metropolitan Police, Capitol Police, Park Police, which is, as I said, the Department of Interior, that something on the order of like 82 different protest events had been approved and permits issued for over those two days.

Speaker 2 (28:42.094)
But we don't need extra security.

But we don't need to declare that a national security event and have FBI surveillance on the ground, according to Stephen D'Antwano, in his actual transcript from his under oath interview with the original select committee. So I'm getting into the weeds here a little bit, but I'm trying to establish that the fact that there was a lot more behind the scenes

intricacies related to January 6th than the general population knows about. And so that's one of those things. And so going back to the FBI's posture that day in these 274, the reason I called bullshit on the tweet that Director Patel sent out was not calling him a liar. And a lot of people thought I was calling him a liar. I was not. The report that he was referencing

was correct. These 274 were called in for crowd control, but FBI doesn't do crowd control. They're not trained for crowd control. They don't have the equipment for crowd control, like the Metropolitan Police, know, the robo cops and all the, you know, the, you know, all the gear and the shields and all that kind of stuff. And so when they got called in, they showed up the best they could, but they were clearly marked. They weren't

They were plain clothes, but they weren't undercover.

Speaker 2 (30:13.76)
And they arrived after the Capitol was emptied out. I wrong about that?

Well, a bunch of them did. I actually have them on my own camera, a large number of them showing up after 6 p.m. But I think if I were to, by and large, characterize when they started arriving was probably after four o'clock, around four o'clock when the first of them started coming out. Now, that also does not mean that the FBI was not present because they were. Their tactical teams were there.

We saw them clearly. I saw them, captured them on my own camera as well. We see FBI and ATF tactical teams in the Capitol immediately after Ashley Babbitt was shot. We see and know that from our own reporting that it was the FBI tactical teams medics who were delivering life-saving attempts to Ashley Babbitt at the south entrance exit there on the lower level of the Capitol.

I know that because I walk right past her as the FBI tactical teams were doing that. I saw her with my own eyes and then I videotaped her extraction from the Capitol down on the gurney down as tactical units were escorting our gurney towards the ambulance at the time. That was, that's my video. And so anybody that's seen that, you know where it came from. And so the point being is, that

is that they were there, but this 274 and the bullshit call was on the idea that they were providing crowd control. Right. Okay.

Speaker 2 (31:53.048)
Okay, I will just warn you here because I know that you've got an engagement following this. I have so many questions, Steve, and I literally haven't gotten past page one. So let me try to run through these and let's see if you can give us an idea of if there's going to be any kind of justice for any of these cases here. Ray Epps, he's in the clear completely, right?

Is there anything that Cash Patel could even do if he wanted to right now with Ray Epps?

Well, I mean, when everybody says that Ray Epps is a fed,

He's an asset,

I am personally convinced that he was an asset. Okay. That's my opinion. Do I have the kill shot on that? No, but look, the fact that Ray Epps was obviously operating as an agent provocateur that day, he was more vocal than anybody else that we know of caught on camera the night before and the day of rallying the people to go into the Capitol.

Speaker 1 (33:02.762)
And then in addition to that,

Yeah, I was just gonna say, think of this, think of this. The same people that wanted President Trump taken off of social media because he's so inflammatory with his mean tweets are the same people that have no problem justifying and ignoring, I should say, someone like a Ray Epps who is actually there instigating the crowd.

And that's why, you know, I'm saying allegedly, possibly, potentially, you know, because even Fox News got scared off from, you I think they got sued by Rebs actually. The point being is, is that not only do we have his actions, which additionally included when the big metallic rimmed sign was passed over the top

of crowd and shoved into the Capitol Police on the West Front Barricade. He reached up and he touched it just as others did. Others were charged that did the same exact thing that he did. I mean, if you've got something coming over your head, your first response is to do this. He did it. Others did it. Others were charged with a felony for using that as a weapon against the police.

was not charged with that, even though he did exactly the same thing. And instead, he got a slap on the wrist. He got six months probation, $500 fine. He didn't have to come to the Capitol for a trial. He was able to plead out to one single misdemeanor and other people who did far less than he did have their lives destroyed.

Speaker 2 (34:44.543)
And this is my point is let's just say and I don't know let's just say that that there's nothing that the FBI today and cash Patel can do to Ray Epps fine

Cash Fatela is the guy who said on day one that we needed to release the Epstein files and we're gonna get into that. He's the guy who said we need an office that just declassifies stuff. There's too much stuff that is classified, top secret, blah, blah. So you know what? Call a press conference. Everybody's gonna show up, Director Cash, and I respectfully am suggesting that you clear the air on stuff like this. Tell us who Ray Epps was. If he was an asset, tell us that, you know?

It just feels like more of the same, like he's covering for something else in what-

Ray Eps,

Yeah, okay, so- No, you're right. This is what- You're the journalist, and I'm just the blatherer.

Speaker 1 (35:40.962)
No, let's talk about that just for a second.

Keep in mind, five more pages.

I know I've been very open in recent months that I don't believe that this was an FBI operation. I'm not saying that the previous FBI under the Biden administration's DOJ slash FBI did not participate in some level of cover-up about certain aspects of that day. But I believe that ultimately what started the fire that day, that it was a DOD operation and...

That is still a lot of work yet to present through our research to finally bring all of the details and the facts and the evidence about that to the public. But I've been working on that since three days after January 6th. And so it is possible, and again, I'm not characterizing or trying to say with any authority,

who Ray Epps was working for was paid by that day. Because I don't know. don't know. know, but it's just, there's just too many circumstantial things that you have to look at a character like him and not just him. There's many others that were very active in the role of provocateur and work, you know, working people.

Speaker 2 (37:06.336)
And let's just say that only a few of those pan out to match up with my gut and many in this audience's gut. You want to talk about extending a connection with the MAGA base that elected Donald Trump in this new team, this new administration, then just come out and level with us. Because right now it feels like

And this is where I'm not the journalist. Remember, it feels like there's more of a covering for the FBI's reputation than to just admitting the truth. But again, this is my opinion, you know, but I understand. And you do the dirty work of actually being the journalist and I.

Okay, let's go to the beginning of the five pages. The cache. Yeah, I know.

the Kash Patel Dan Bongino regime. Let's go to the beginning of that. When they were nominated, we...

Hold that thought, hold that thought, hold that thought, real quick. I just have two quick J6 related questions and then you go wherever you want to go. okay, so help me. That whole we don't do perp walks. there's a guy right there. His name is Steve Baker who got the perp walk. but the, the way that J6ers were treated and the way they were put in things like solitary confinement and rancid conditions and many of them were led to commit suicide.

Speaker 1 (38:15.566)
Okay.

Speaker 2 (38:38.158)
over what their government put them through. Even if it is a press conference just to apologize to the families of how this government treated them, these Americans, somebody in this administration needs to do that on behalf of the last administration. But here's my question for you. And this is an opinion, I guess. In your opinion, Steve Baker, did the J6 committee withhold evidence at their little primetime event series?

They withheld evidence. They manipulated evidence. They create evidence out of thin air and then they destroyed evidence

then where are the perp walks for them? Where is Liz Cheney's handcuff trip from the car to the building? That's right, damn it. That's right. Yeah, nevermind that. All right, you know what? That is blew out about a page of that. No, I'm just kidding. Okay, so go to the beginning of the Trump administration and go down the road you are about to take us please.

you gotta pardon from

Speaker 1 (39:39.832)
So when Cash and Dan, if I can be informal, were nominated, we cheered that. We wanted that. We wanted it to happen. Not only myself, but an army of retired old FBI agents from the good old days, whistleblowers who thought that they would have their backs.

that's a- that's a whole page to itself, continue.

I wanted that to happen. When the nominations were confirmed, we gave them a standing ovation. We were ready to roll with them. And this is where it gets hard. Okay.

Ugh.

Both Cash and Dan have ample history of talking about the FBI and the corruption that was there.

Speaker 2 (40:42.072)
Which is why I wanted them in their positions.

And yeah, exactly. And all the way to the pinnacle of being, you know, Cash Patel's book, Government Gangsters, also his famous statement about wanting to first day turn the Hoover building into a museum of the deep state. We've had, you know, God knows, there's probably thousands of hours of banjinos.

criticisms of FBI and other government agencies, intelligence services, things of that nature, as well during his podcast years and his television years on Fox. And so there's a tremendous amount of precedent there in their history for us being, as you said, very excited about that. And then all of a sudden it's like the brakes were put on. Now, they have come on television many times and explained

why we need to wait, why we need to be patient, give us time. The deep state complex is much deeper, darker, and more impenetrable than we thought. I don't doubt it. No, that part they're exactly correct about. And this is why, even though, and I'll say this quite frankly and quite openly, even though we know that they think I'm at war with them, that I also have been very clear in saying,

that the depth of corruption, the depth of the deep state actors within the Bureau is so deep, dark, and entrenched that they have to work their way through that. And also, because I have sources within and without and close to that, that they all acknowledge that. In fact, you know, I'm not going to name names, but I mean,

Speaker 1 (42:41.664)
I have had just very recently two extensive conversations with people on the inside that say to me, Steve, you have no idea how hard it is right now for us to get anything done because there's such a large percentage of that previous cult that still controls the narrative, access to information.

They are stonewalled. They, you know, they hit brick walls every single day. make, you know, you would think that the director and deputy could record, could just say, demand, you know, give me this information or you're fired. And it's certainly infinitely more complex than that, especially with all the complexity of the various departments and, you know, sub-agencies within the FBI.

The one thing that I think that Dan and Cash have not excelled at is in their messaging and their public relations. They've failed many times in that regard. You can't continue to just go on television and just say, trust us, bro. You can't go in there and say, hey, in two weeks, you're going to see the most mind blowing things that you've ever seen.

with my own eyes and when we reveal it to you, you're just going to be gobsmacked. And then five months later we still haven't seen it.

Thank you, I was gonna bring that up, yes.

Speaker 1 (44:15.466)
All right. I have been very critical about their messaging, very critical about their PR, very critical not only publicly in my statements about it, but I've also been critical to those I talk to within the Bureau who get that information to them. I'm gonna give you one example. When I was first brought into the investigation that Blaze Media was doing on Congressman Cory Mills, and the reason why they brought me on...

The reason why they brought me on is because there seemed to be a rogue FBI agent operating outside of the FBI auspices in her investigation into Corey Mills. So I started investigating the investigator. Well, once I reached my own brick wall and what I was able to discover directly, I started reaching out to the FBI directly to try and see if in fact

there was an open investigation into Corey Mills, Congressman Corey Mills. And the first thing that I did is I acted as a citizen. I didn't lie about who I was, but this particular agent works out of what they call the Orlando Resident Agency, which is part of the Tampa field office. So I contacted the Tampa field office and I told them my name, told them...

who I worked for, Blaze Media, and that I had the possibility of having found a public corruption issue. And I needed to speak to a supervisory special agent to report a possible public corruption crime. And I was stonewalled. So then I took it to the national intake. Well, this is going back three or four months ago. It certainly was after...

timeline on this

Speaker 1 (46:09.518)
Probably in May somewhere in there. So I took it to the national intake. I asked to speak to a public corruption SSO, SSA, supervisory special agent. I was stonewalled there. They would not give me one. And because I'm a resident of North Carolina, I eventually took it to your drinking again. I want some, I should have brought some of

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That's awesome. actually saw that in a store in Texas just the other day. So I took it to, because I'm a resident of North Carolina, I did the same thing. I called the Charlotte field office of the FBI and I tried to report it there. I got stonewalled again. I went back to national intake and then I remember it was on a Thursday morning and I woke up

So.

Speaker 1 (47:16.0)
At night, you know, I woke up and at 9 a.m. as soon as everybody was in their offices on the East Coast at 9 a.m. I was so pissed off. I happened to have a couple of phone numbers in my phone. One of them was Cash Patel's and one of them was because I've spoken to him before and one of them was his personal assistant. So I sent a detailed message over to both of them at the same time, copied both of them. And within minutes, I had a response.

and they began looking into the situation. I'm being very complimentary right now. I was very excited that they began to move on it. And when we were in about halfway through the second day, and I'm talking to them a lot over those days, they're asking questions, I'm answering questions, I'm giving them more information. And then I finally said this, I said, as you know,

I said, our grand patriarch at the Blaze, Glenn Beck, is somebody that really believes in cash. He talks about it all the time. I trust Cash Patel. In fact, it was Glenn Beck who introduced me to Cash Patel there at Blaze Studios one day, about a year and a half or little more than a year. Maybe, we're in October now, it's probably about two years ago now.

It was December of 23, I believe, when he interview in his office where he talked about day one, blah, blah.

Yeah, that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (48:37.664)
When they walked out of the office that day, I happened to be walking by and we had just published a big article on a J6 article and Glenn grabbed me and said, Hey, I want to introduce you to cash. He said, go print out your article. And so I went over to somebody in the, in the think tank and had them print out the 16 page article on a handed to cash. We exchanged phone numbers and that's how we were connected. And so.

Toward the end of business the next day, I asked his personal assistant, said, I said, look, Glenn believes in cash. All right. And I don't want to mess this up. Don't, I didn't say mess it up, by the way. I use a different four letter word. And, and I said,

If I've got it wrong, just tell me. And we'll back off of this story. If we're on the right trail, send me up a smoke signal of some sort. Because as you know, for years, anytime you ask the FBI a question, they only respond with one thing. Sorry, we can't comment on an ongoing investigation. Well, they've spent a day and a half talking to me and they haven't yet said that about this Corey Mills rogue agent thing that I'm investigating.

And finally, at the near the end of the day, the second day on a Friday before close of business, they sent us an unprecedented response, which we published through the blaze.com and the story about this rogue agent. And what they told us was is that we have no, um, information. have no detail. We know nothing about an investigation into the, into the Congressman, which by the way,

would be impossible for the seventh floor of the Hoover building to not know because a investigation into a sitting member of Congress is called a investigative matter. so therefore they would know. And in fact, look, they're only a couple of keystrokes away from the, it's not like the director, the deputy director, the general counsel don't have access to

Speaker 1 (51:01.75)
whether or not there's a real investigation into a member of Congress. And it takes a lot more approval for an agent to begin. mean, an agent has to go through a lot of layers of approval. It's got to go straight to the top in order for that to happen. From what I understand, in a SEM like that, it has to actually be approved even by the attorney general's office. So the fact that they wouldn't know about it would be incomprehensible.

And so I felt like that that was our smoke signal and we sent it up and we published based on that, our story. And so we haven't been proven wrong on that yet. They've never come to us and said that you weren't. But my point of the whole precursor to where we're at right now is that we have had favorable interactions with the seventh floor. And then we have, as I was talking about before,

the other PR problems, the more public, you know, statements. you know, the worst so far, obviously the worst mistake that's come so far from Cash Patel's own ex account was him saying that they had the subject in custody. Yeah, to Charlie Huggs murder. And he used the subject, used the word subject, not the word suspect. Now, when I've criticized that tweet,

We our guy.

Speaker 1 (52:25.966)
I've gotten in a lot of trouble because people say, all he said was suspect. No, he said subject. We got a guy. And then an hour, hour and a half later, he had to retract that. That was not, it was not only a mistake, but it was a mistake that typically would not be made by law enforcement. I pointed that out. That doesn't mean I'm at war with them. What it means is, is that I'm not going to stop calling balls and strikes and fouls

just because we want to believe in those guys, right? Because we still do. We still believe that if they are every single day, as they tell us, actively working to take down the deep state within their own bureau, then we support that. But you can't make mistakes like that. You can't make mistakes like the Axios leak on a Sunday. Big files, you know, that was what that was that one.

Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (53:16.258)
That was gonna be my next question.

on the Fourth of July weekend.

You talk about you talk about an unforced error. Yeah. And and they just got obliterated for it and justifiably so. And

And in case people forgot, I mean, that was the weekend that we got the Department of Justice memo that just said, yeah, there's nothing going on with Epstein. That guy, about a crazy cat. We're done all by himself.

And then they tried to distance themselves from it by saying, that was DOJ. wasn't us. No, you are DOJ. Yeah. It is impossible to go forward with that and not be participating in that. And in fact, Axios said that it was a joint release by DOJ and FBI.

Speaker 2 (54:06.606)
So, okay, so real quick, just laying, I can never pronounce her name. Just laying Maxwell. Why she's still in prison. I mean, she's not going to get her pardon. She's not going to get her day in the Supreme court. What? What's again, this is a whole nother topic, but it's, it's, it's under that umbrella of day one, man. We're going to release the Epstein files. Hell, there are no Epstein files now from what I understand. If I could quote Dan Bongino, there is no there there.

Well, I'm

Speaker 1 (54:40.302)
But the only thing I can respond to is this, is I am told through our sources within the intelligence community that the FBI does not have those. Now, this is despite the fact that Cash told Glenn Beck in December of 23, there's a black book and it's in the FBI director's desk and we have it. Despite the fact that Pam Bondi said, we've got all of this, despite the fact that they've seen tens of thousands of hours video.

Blah blah blah blah blah.

Okay, so hold on. If there was a black book as Cash claimed, and let's just say everything's been destroyed. Let's just say there is no evidence available to Cash and Dan and the rest of the good guys at the FBI, then come out and say, I knew exactly what I was talking about in December of 2023 in Glenn Beck's office. By the time I got sworn in and into the office, they had destroyed everything related to that instead of, nothing here.

Well, what I'm told is that if there is such a thing as an Excel spreadsheet of the list of Johns and otherwise individuals that Epstein marketed the girls to, which is incomprehensible that there's tens of thousands of hours worth of video as they claim and he's the only one tapping the young ladies.

Somebody should do the math. Somebody should do the damn math on that. How many hours they claim a videotape there are and how many hours of time passed from when Epstein started his deal until he was caught.

Speaker 1 (56:19.704)
these are the things that make the American people's head explode because we instinctively know that that math doesn't work. we instinctively know that you can't convict Maxwell of a crime in which there are no buyers to that crime. And, you know, apparently if she was the solicitor and she was acting as the madam,

And he was in Epstein was the only client. mean, that's ultimately what they're claiming. That doesn't work for the American people. And so it's incomprehensible that either the public relations people on the seventh floor of the Hoover building or the leadership itself can't look at that and go, yeah, they're not going to buy that. That's like, no, that's, that's, that's a bridge too far. And, and, and, I mean, I, I mean, I'll be honest with you after

two or three of those, I sent a message to somebody I know in the seventh floor and I said, you guys need a, you guys need a new PR guy? I mean, I'll take a, you know, I'll take an SGE, you know, special government employee, you know, like, like Elon was for a while.

Yeah, I said, I'll be an SG. I'll come to work for you for, you know, 103 days or whatever the contract is for an SG. And I'll help you clean up your, you know, your public relations because this is not working. And again, these are balls, strikes, fouls that I'm calling, whereas they may think that I'm at war with them. Now, then we get into the whistleblower situation. I may have been at war with them about on that a little bit, you know.

We need to talk about that for sure.

Speaker 1 (58:08.651)
We can go as deep into that as you want to if you want to beat that dead horse.

Yeah, hell I got so many dead horses here. You have to get to but let's one more question though on the Epstein front I Can understand I mean this sincerely I can understand if the president of the United States doesn't want something pursued or discussed and I understand that because he has said sure Are you still talking about the Epstein files? Yeah

Yeah, we're talking about global elites who make decisions that affect our lives that, quite frankly, are probably pedophiles. And there's evidence of this. then it might answer questions of some weird decisions that have been made for the last 20 or 30 years. Yeah, we're still on this. Holding them accountable under the law? Absolutely, Mr. President, with all due respect. And thank you for your attention to this matter, But I can understand if you are a

Cash Patel or a Dan Bongino and the president of the States says, don't pursue this. And again, I'm going to make a couple of leaps here. I can understand that you can't pursue that and that there's no way in hell you can talk about it publicly short of resigning and then going out there and Trump supporters are the diehards are really going to make sure they line up behind the president no matter what. Let's say that.

So I can understand if that's not, if, if, if the president of the States is telling you to not pursue something and at the same time, you're not able to talk about it and explain it. But if that is the case, do you have a hunch, a theory, any idea why president Trump would not want this to be a priority when he campaigned on it? And I'm of the mindset as are so many other people that if he's implicated,

Speaker 2 (01:00:08.738)
Democrats would have a already come out with it because they they've tried to kill this man multiple times They would have course brought that up or they would have manufactured it in the meantime Why would he not want them to pursue that if you say if that is the case?

Look, the people that, and believe me, I still see it in social media. I'm not nearly as active on Facebook as I used to be, but all of my lifelong friends from the music industry who are leftists and Democrats and the like are still, you know, wanting to see the Epstein list files, whatever. I didn't even finish answering that question, by the way. Yeah, we were

chasing other rabbits. what I am told, I'll go back to that, what I'm told from the intelligence community is that if there is such a thing as a spreadsheet or there is a stack of files or, you know, whether they're on a computer or they're in a, you know, a burn bag somewhere, that they're not held by the FBI anyway, that they're held by the CIA. And that's another.

looks like a... I mean, so go to them. Hell, we'll do a show about the CIA.

Well, they're even worse than the FBI. So if you talk about entrenched deep state, I mean, if I were, if I were to throw out numbers that I hear, from my conversations with all of the players in the, the intelligence community, they would estimate that something on the order of 60 plus percent of current employees of the FBI are deep staters and leftist and, working against the Trump America.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49.708)
or Virginia, but if we're talking about CIA, it's something on the order of 80%.

Holy crap, bro. I'm never going to get to these questions. OK. You had mentioned the cache Patel tweet. You know, we've got our guy. Can we just talk about the texts real quick? And I don't want this. I'm going to have larger conversations about the Charlie Kirk assassination. But. Have you heard anything? Do you have any thoughts on those texts? Because I feel like.

They just seem so inauthentic. we got the text that the FBI release that Tyler Robinson sent to his furry lover guy.

My initial thought on them because they were so well written, so well punctuated and they weren't written like a Discord chat group would write things with all the typical Gen Z abbreviations. What?

My old man!

Speaker 1 (01:02:57.422)
All of these things is that it could very well be that some FBI analyst got it and just interpreted it. Nobody's going to understand this in the way they write, so we'll clean it up.

understand exactly and that is where I land right now is that there were texts but they were they went through an FBI rewrite yeah say that enough so that you could understand since we know that you people don't know what LOL really mean tell us this shit

Yeah, well, it's I mean, that's what I would, that was my initial impression. And you're exactly right. And my second impression was publish them both side by side. This is what, this is the way they wrote it and this is what it means. This is what it means for boomers. So you can read it and understand it. Yeah.

features.

We like that help too, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00.91)
But you know, look, when it comes to Charlie Kirk, I am not buying into the conspiracy theories. I'm just going to put that out there. I think that what we're being told from, and again, this is from as close as I can be to the, I'm not on the inside, but I have enough sources that tell me, look, it is what it

is being publicized to be. mean, it is shooting from the rooftop. They got a hell of a lucky shot off and, look, you're talking about it. You're talking about a kid that lives in that part of the country. They know how to deer hunt. They know how to take a 200 yard shot. It's not difficult thing. And he was probably aiming for the center of his head, but he didn't calculate for the drop rate for the wind and it hit a little lower.

Okay. Well, I mean, and we'll have a larger discussion and you're welcome to be a part of that if, if, you want to be, but that is something that I am so looking forward to seeing play out in court. have, I was in high school in college during the OJ Simpson stuff and I was, I kept tabs on that every day, but this is the first trial of my life is that I want to watch every damn minute of that trial.

I want to absorb everything because I don't know the answer. Now, if someone came to me right now and asked me, OK, you got to make a decision, what is it? Then I would go with that story. Yes. There are so many questions that I have that I need answered.

This is the last and only thing I'll say about Charlie Kirk today because we need to move on. But it is very simple. I have sources within the IC who absolutely despise the FBI. Trust the FBI. They don't like Cash and Dan. And yet they are the same one telling me right now. They're getting it right. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14.242)
Good to hear. I don't want a large conspiracy. I would like something in this freaking world to be cut and dry. Yeah. Okay. In August, let's go back to August way back a month ago. And I will say this was only after intense social media pressure to reinstate the honorable FBI whistleblowers. Cash said publicly that, hey, everything's good. I mean, this is good stuff. And I don't know that

Well, let me just stop there. Chuck Grassley's office has been instrumental in helping these whistleblowers get back into their rightful position.

He shouldn't have had to be. He should. Dip your head. Keep your-

should not have had to. Yeah, no, no, no, I was just going to say the deadline to reinstate a lot of those whistleblowers has come and gone and they're not back in their old posts or any posts for that matter. And it's absolutely an unmitigated disgrace. And we all knew we all knew that it was going to play out like this. This has been.

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25.046)
What? Okay.

What individuals have been through that stood up and did the right thing and defended our government to our government and, and pointed out the corruption. they have been in this story, man, Steve, this, this plays out time and time again for whistleblowers and people who do the right thing. Yeah. And it makes me sick as an American for what they go through.

and are still going through and their families go through and it's like, why the hell? You want to know why we don't have an overwhelming number of good and honorable people in our government? It's because the ones that are honorable and do the right thing get treated like this. And somebody please explain to me an out for Cash Patel on this.

Well, let's go back to something else that we were talking about earlier when you're talking about the deep state element of the FBI and why it's so hard to change. mean, the FBI in and of itself, and we constantly refer to it as a cult. And there's a reason why. got the notion of that and started kind of looking into it myself when our friend J. Michael Waller, who wrote the book,

Look at there. Look at this. There's a there's one of the whistleblowers right there. Hi, Steve. I hope you're well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54.561)
So our friend, J. Michael Waller, who wrote the book, Big Intel, goes into the history of both the CIA and the FBI, and he calls it a cult. there's a certain amount of... Once you get that badge and you get that designation as an FBI agent, then there's a certain amount of prestige that goes with that. When you go to a dinner party,

Uh, or you're at a wedding reception and people introduce you as an FBI agent. All of a sudden you're perceived as the most interesting person in the room, you know? And, and so, uh, after you've had that, um, many tools.

This is the most important topic of the day. You have a dog too?

There's a dog barking, yes there is, you heard it.

No, okay, I just wanna make sure it wasn't mine. I was like, wait a minute, what's going sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay, so once you get introduced as an FBI, like, aha, look at me, I'm an FBI agent.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46.456)
Yeah. And so, but it certainly extends much deeper than that. goes much deeper than that. Then you become a part of the system and you're indoctrinated into it. then from the earliest days in the academy, and maybe Steve Friend will pop up and confirm this, is one of the first things that you're told, if not the first day or the first week, is that you can, almost everything that you do wrong, if you...

Commit an infraction, just admit it. If you do something wrong, take your disciplinary slap on the wrist, whether it's a suspension or whatever, just, we can get past that. But the one thing you cannot do is embarrass the bureau. And whistleblowing by its very nature embarrasses the bureau. And you're embarrassing

the hierarchy. You're embarrassing leadership, whether it's your leadership in your own field office or if it goes up higher. I just recently spent nine hours interviewing one of the most highly decorated FBI agents in the 100-plus-year history of the Bureau. And he went through a whistleblowing period. He survived it, but they did everything in their power to destroy his life. Now, this is not one of the current whistleblowers. This goes back...

several years, this goes back even before the Biden administration, but he went through the process and they absolutely did everything in their power to destroy his life through the process. He survived it. He got out, he got his pension. He's okay. But they, mean, they messed this guy up psychologically and he's been through, you know, been through therapy for years as a result of what they tried to do to him. And we're going to be telling that story soon at the place.

But the point being is that in the one area that I've been most critical of the new regime is the whistleblower thing, not only because I've developed relationships with the whistleblowers, many of them, but also because of one particular thing that we know, it's been made public, they haven't hidden this thing. But these guys were very supportive of Cash's nomination. And when he was confirmed,

Speaker 1 (01:12:08.214)
He sent them a message and said, you know, couldn't have done it without you. And then this is such a, then it was like they were kicked to the curb and abandoned. Now. All right, let's go back. go back to the earlier. know. I know, but let's go back. Let's go back to the, let's go back to and try, try, try to look into the mind of what was going on there. Okay. So let's just say that reinstatement was more difficult than.

Break something right now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37.784)
cash just issuing a decree and signing a letter of agreement and demanding. Let's just say that it is, all right, because you got lawyers involved. can't, you know, you can't come now. You can no longer directly communicate with the whistleblowers as individuals. You have to go through the legal process. So you've got to have your lawyers at the FBI contact their lawyers, blah, blah. And, you know, and then all what, you know, look,

It's very, for some reason, it seems to me that as easy as it is to say, okay, you're whistleblower. Therefore you're in subordinate. Therefore, because you're not following a direct order to go out and swat a, you know, a grandma, a misdemeanor defendant on January 6th, then turning your badge and your gun. Now it seems it would be just as easy to go, okay, yeah, we made a mistake. Here's your badge and your gun. Come on back. But that's not what's happened.

And we know it's not what's happening and we know that they're putting them through hell right now in the real estate process. But we also know in the most egregious part of it all is even though there was a deal signed between the FBI and the individual whistleblowers for reinstatement and compensation, that they still haven't been paid a penny. They don't have their paycheck back yet.

Is this a case of cash jumping the gun the way he did with the Charlie Kirk tweet? And he doesn't have control over all of this reinstatement? Or is this just him bailing on an agreement?

we don't know. you know, it took, it took Marcus Allen a year before he got his compensation, but this is, this is an, you know, the matter. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna try one more time. I'm going to try now my friends at the suspendables, my friends in the, know, all, all these guys, they, they, know how I feel about it, but I am speaking publicly. So I'm trying to give you, the possibility of, of looking at things, you know, from

Speaker 1 (01:14:38.954)
always, always begin with government incompetence before you get to the malfeasance and conspiratorial side of things. Always start there. And when we're talking about incompetence, right, government incompetence, it grows exponentially based on the size of the government.

Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06.094)
and the size of the agency that we're talking about. so as a result of that, we're looking at singularly the most incompetent government on the planet to start with, just by the math, because it's the largest government on the planet. And this is one of the largest policing agencies on the planet. And as result of that, it's probably more incompetent than any others, just by virtue of the laws of gravity.

And so you start there, okay?

And I'm not a lawyer. I'm definitely not an expert in this particular topic.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51.746)
But I do know that if they wanted it to happen, it could happen. Yeah. My priority.

Thanks

Thank you. So this is my thing. This is why I'm holding up two fingers, dude. Number one, either this is my take on Cash Patel and the whistleblowers and Steve Friend, don't want to, I see you in the chat. I do not want to cause any harm to you or your situation. So respond if you want to. Don't if you don't want to.

by prioritizing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28.28)
The whistleblowers have not been put back in the rightful places, have not been given financial compensation, have not been given their clearance and their badges back yet because of one of two reasons. Either Cash Patel is a liar or Cash Patel is not in control of this situation. And if Cash Patel is not in control of the situation, then Cash Patel or somebody very close to him, such as an assistant that you referenced earlier, needs to be reaching out. I don't care if it's on the damn slide.

needs to be reaching out to these whistleblowers and say, brother, look, this is a message from Cash.

This process is taking much longer than it should. But we want you to know that the director and the bureau have not forgotten about you. Please just be patient. I'm sorry we missed the deadline two and a half fucking weeks ago. But it's in process. You have the director's word. Steve friend. Have you gotten any kind of communication?

from the director or someone representing the seventh floor of the damn J. Edgar Hoover building to ensure you and your family that you haven't been forgotten yet again, because this shit has been going on for years. And why in the hell should we ever as Americans expect to have honorable men and women assume these roles when they see what happens when you stand up for the Constitution and do the right thing because

time and time and time and time again. This is, this is not the exception. This is the rule for how we treat these good people, these good men and women who stand up and do the right thing. And all of a sudden we got blessed with the dream team that we wanted. Trump won. The guy we wanted to run the FBI gets in charge and we still can't get these people in in October. Come on. This is bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27.79)
All right. I'll hold up two fingers now. Yes. First of all, remember I talked about the PR problem, the seventh floor. This is a PR problem at its root. I have been told from the seventh floor, from the seventh floor, that it's out of their control and that they're fighting the deep state to get the whistleblowers.

Sir.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56.738)
reinstated, compensated, etc.

Totally plausible, Steve. Telling you! Are they telling the public? Are they telling you for him and his family?

What happened, Elder?

No, that's where I'm going. But that's what they told me. Okay. All right. So there is nothing preventing Cash Patel or Dan Von Geno or the general counsel or their public relations officers to come out and explain to the American people the mechanics of why they're struggling to get

this done if they would explain it to us in a way that we can all go okay okay I understand that okay that makes sense now and now we can be patient but just saying trust me bro mm-hmm it's gonna get done be patient stop criticizing us while you're waiting no come out and tell us what the problem is but

Speaker 2 (01:19:55.17)
See, here is I'm sorry. Did you get your two things in? So here's my thing.

Yeah, there's

Speaker 2 (01:20:03.148)
What's holding them back from doing that? What's stopping them from taking advantage of the bully pulpit? If Cash Patel called a press conference, everyone would be there with cameras and microphones rolling and listening. Absolutely. So then the next logical question from someone like me is, why aren't you doing this? What are you afraid of? Who's really in charge? if, and if, and if it's beyond your control to the point where you're afraid to proceed in doing the right thing,

then resign with honor, then hold that press conference, and then go and tell all of the whistleblower families, this is why it didn't get done, I'm so sorry.

But if we're being honest in our analysis, and again, I'm putting this out there as a question as much as I'm putting it out as a criticism, and it's a fair criticism, is that the point where the suspendables, this group of FBI whistleblowers and whistleblowers from other agencies lost their relationship with Dan Bongino goes all the way back to the Mar-a-Lago raid.

and the characterization by Dan as a influencer and podcaster at the time, along with the likes of Steve Bannon and... gosh, think Benny Johnson was on this train. We know that Julie Kelly was on the train. She actually started it, was the analysis that the Mar-a-Lago raid was some sort of assassination attempt against the president.

And the guys who should have known better, especially somebody like Dan, should have called her on that at the time, rather than nodding along with her that this was, you know, that the situation was precipitated by this use of force clause included in the paperwork, which was the warrant and... was the standard template.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03.938)
Yeah, it was a template situation. It's pre-printed. It's been pre-printed for 30 years. It's in every single document that every other law enforcement agency in America, at least, if not on the planet Earth and the First World Nations, uses, and that this language was, in fact, just template language. And then they also... It's almost like it...

it begged credulity that they would be that they would claim that this was an assassination attempt or that there was going to be they wanted a shootout at the Mar-a-Lago Corral between the Secret Service and the FBI that morning because first of all also in the documentation was that the Secret Service and the FBI were already in contact with one another for three days beforehand working out the details and trying to figure out

Okay, how damn it, we got to do this. You know, we're ordered to do this. We have to do it. It wasn't like it was a raid, an unexpected raid. And then on top of that, president Trump or at the time candidate Trump was in New Jersey. think you're trying to make me believe that the secret service and the FBI didn't know where the Trump and his family were at the time. yet, and yet they, they took this idea of the shootout at the Mar-a-Lago Corral.

because of that use of force language that's template pre-printed. It's a document. I've got it. I've got it. I've got the document. It's, it's, it's page and page and page and page of all the stuff, the blank stuff that you have to fill out. But the pre-printed template language is the use of force policy as it is in every single warrant that's ever executed. So that's where

The Suspendables lost their relationship with Dan personally was over that incident. That's correct. And that is something that if I ever had the opportunity to sit down with the deputy director is I would go back and I would play him that exchange between Julie Kelly and himself on his show and say, now we're just asking, do you still stand by this?

Speaker 2 (01:23:57.654)
Is that right? I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17.952)
Now that you are at the Bureau and you get to see that this is pre-printed template language, do you still stand by your analysis?

Let's talk.

That's where the relationship was lost. That's not where it was lost between Cash and them. They were fully on Cash's side all the way up until he seemingly abandoned them after he sent them that message that you know, I couldn't have done without you.

And, and, and I don't know if people realize this and I hope they do now. They, I hope that they don't, they're not under the impression since cash tweeted in August and everything's finding dandy. Nope, not a chance. as far as the whistleblowers go. And of course, Steve's reporting and my Twitter feed, will continue to push for them.

Let me just say this one more thing about that situation. The reason why I shared that story is because what we don't want to believe is that there's some sort of personal animosity, vendetta still remaining there. Are you sure? No, we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31.842)
don't want to believe that. has it has been something that has has moved the gears in Washington DC for far too long and for far too many similar situations like this to continue.

But it's a fair question and if I don't ask the question, I'm not doing my job. That's the purpose of the press is to put them on the hot seat and ask the hard questions. Not unlike what we've just, I think that's your dog this hour. Is that mine?

You're damn right it's my dog. And I knew this was gonna happen because I knew my daughter's friend was getting here at 3.30 and I knew this was gonna happen. anyway, continue.

this is what we're supposed to do. And that doesn't mean that we're at war with them. But unlike on the other side of the aisle, when they give them the pre-printed list of 16 questions you can ask, and then you ask a follow-up, and then they cuss you out in one interview, because I'm sorry, that follow-up question was not on my pre-printed list of approved questions. We just saw that this week, you know, on a CBS interview.

And, and so that's not who we are and that's not what we do, but it's also the same thing. And we're not doing our job. If we don't call it out when they get butt hurt or they have too thin a skin, and then they reach out to us to complain about our coverage. That's no different than Jen Psaki. As we talked about at the very beginning of this podcast. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10.092)
You know, saying, Hey, yeah, we're contacting Facebook about the accounts, accounts we don't like that are spreading disinformation about COVID. You know, it's, it's not, it's not what is supposed to happen now. Does that happen every single day in Washington from every side? Yes, it does. Absolutely. does. Left, right. And every other in between contacts the press every day to try to shape the narrative.

to complain about the narrative, complain about coverage, do this and that other thing, happens all the time.

before I forget Steve friend there in the chat, you know, he's got a podcast. You should follow him at real Steve friend and check out his show and he might, who knows? I don't know if he'll talk about this whistleblower situation. I know his situation. no, should say I don't know the intricacies of his joy. He may not talk about this, but you should at least listen to his product.

And you may not be done with it, but I'll close it out because I've said all I need to be about it. Here's my bottom line. And I'm basically reiterating what I said to make a point. And that's this. If there's some reason why the director cannot issue a proclamation and tell the damn field office where these guys were working

at. Take them back in today. Yes. Give them the badge. Give them the clearance. Give them their gun. Give them their paycheck. Today. Now we'll worry about the past compensation as we work that out through the legal process. But get the call HR and give them their fucking paycheck. It.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36.142)
It's enraging.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58.754)
And if our government isn't able to do that, then it's time to rethink the whole works, honestly, because it's going back to what you said. It's too big to do the right thing when it's so obvious. Okay.

And Keith and Kim To finish that up if you can't do that Just tell us why

Tell us why. And if you can't tell us why, then goes back to what I said, resign with honor and then tell us why. Okay. So yeah, we know Steve Fran doesn't represent any government agency. Yeah. Okay. So, I do want to focus on Dan. Okay. Time out. How long does it take you to get ready to go out for like tonight? How long is it going to take you between this podcast and when you have to leave the house? How much time do you need?

Well, I, it's actually, I'm leaving here at rush hour, so it's going to take me an hour to get there. sorry. At 30 minutes.

So how much time left do you have with us? 30 minutes, crap. All right, be very quick on these answers, even if they're not thorough. Yes, God in the Lord, I gotta have you back. Maria Bartolomo of the interview, when she had Cash and Dan sitting down, they made some big promises and then Dan did again. The Fox and Friends, Curry Couch in late May.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08.167)
We'll make these lightning round.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27.31)
and I remember one of the things that was alluded to and I went back and I watched the clip and it wasn't Dan saying this and it felt almost like, I, and I could play it now, but we really don't have time, but it felt like, what's his bucket Brian Kilmeade. it almost felt like, and I feel like I do have to play this. It feels like he's talking about an all fair conversation. There's never clicked with me. I've watched this clip. A dozen times, but pay attention to this and see if you picked up what I did.

There's three cases that you're looking at the two DC by pipe bombings the Supreme Court leak on the Dobbs decision and the cocaine in the White House you say one of them within a day or two we're gonna have a major break. I think that Bonjino said that during a commercial break and and now kill me is the one saying it and now Dan's in a position was like crap did I should have said it like that but I did.

We got the we've got a good tip this morning. We're gonna run it out We're not gonna be able to make that public obviously right away because we have to make sure and you know We have to go all the proper steps what I don't want to do ever and I've said this before I don't I don't want to keep this good Because time is of the essence but but but it was alluded to that we do have Something coming with the j6 pipe bomber the Dobbs leaker the cocaine in the White House. This was late May

we're still waiting around and we do have some news to break, courtesy of you, before we part ways today. do you have any thoughts on why aren't we getting answers when we're told we're about to get freaking answers? Look.

Yeah, I'm going to even give them a little bit of grace here. That's all I can do. I know I've already criticized the don't, you know, trust me bro, it's coming in two weeks attitude or whatever. But I have criticized that and they need to be better at it. general counsel or public relations officer ought to take their Twitter accounts away from them and control with themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26.906)
watching this game

They are. I mean, we've got a couple of agents or analysts, you know, watching the show right now. I mean, they always are.

I love the FBI. Have I ever said that? won't shut them out of that. And the IRS. wait, that's right. There is no IRS yet anymore. And you see they cut all the nipper money.

Yeah,

Yeah, the only agency I want to be dismantled worse than the FBI is the IRS. But that's another story. The reality is that sometimes, you know, and I've been just as guilty of this of saying, you know, it's coming, it's coming about a story. And then it takes us, you know, weeks or months to get all of the I's dotted T's crossed before we can even be

Speaker 1 (01:33:12.942)
think that we can get it past our three layers or four layers of editors and past our own legal counsel or the blaze, you know? And even then, sometimes we can't. You know? It is what it is. Joe Moon needs a re-vital. It's like, you know, go back to the drawing board, try again. That almost happened, you know, with the story today. Hold that thought.

It was very, it was very difficult, but I'm telling that I'm saying that to everyone as a positive is the fact that we're not allowed to go out just willy nilly. And, know, and I'm not, and I'm not going to name some of our competitors who do that. And they do that as a matter of policy. mean, I've, I've spoken to writers at a couple of other right-wing publications that say, you know, publish first, we'll worry about facts later. and you know, it's, it's more about the clicks and that sort of thing.

complaint today about clicks on our story today because they said it was was nothing but clickbait because it's got a paywall. mean look we're a subscription model we don't have lot of that right we don't have any ads on our you know our website. remember

Move your response to the-

Speaker 2 (01:34:23.426)
one time you tweeted back at somebody a picture of a newspaper stand. You have to your quarters in the in the to get the newspaper.

Yeah, a wall.

Right, all the old newspaper machines, know, are, you know, things that we had to drop quarters in. Yep. My response. Okay.

Okay, let's see if you and I, this is a, this is a comment to myself as much as you, let's see if we can do rapid fire, legitimate rapid fire, because dear God, we have to talk about this breaking news story. Steve Baker, will there be justice for those who lied about the Russia probe? Come on, FBI, come on. What does Steve Baker's gut tell him?

we'll, we'll probably get a couple of, token, trials out of it. don't know if we'll get convictions or not.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05.152)
Okay, I'm gonna be John McLaughlin here. Wrong. Sorry. Let's see, James O'Keefe recently revealed that Mike Pompeo and Adam Schiff were apparently working a coup against President Trump in his first term. Where's the FBI on that Steve Baker?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Okay, next. Let's see. Any real movement on holding anyone accountable for the following? The Mar-a-Lago raid.

I mean, who, who other than the people that ordered it, I mean, the, agents are going to follow orders. doesn't mean that they, know, they knew what the political situation was behind the scene. Look, there's going to be agents on the ground that day. They were both, Trump supporters and those who weren't, but you know,

I'm watching the rush hour traffic build in your neighborhood. The use of the auto pen by the Biden administration. Anybody can be held accountable for that. Steve Baker.

My God, there couldn't be an easier one than that. I mean, I would think that maybe the president can actually do something about that. is an executive order, executive branch issue. So I would imagine that their attorneys have been looking at what they can do, but I certainly don't have the legal knowledge to know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03.182)
The follow-up.

How far back you want to unwind that?

Speaker 2 (01:36:19.192)
And there was a blip recently of Chinese mass ballots, if you recall, around the 2020 election. Do we think there's going to be any justice on that? I'm asking for an editorial opinion at this point now, obviously, because I'm in our

Yeah, my editorial opinion on that has been informed by my actual knowledge of the, quote unquote, stolen election at this point. It took me 22 months after the election before I ever even mentioned that it was possible that it was stolen because I didn't have the data, I didn't have the context, didn't have the... I was like, okay, you know, it looks... It's just I know what the math looks like. know what the...

hockey stick curves look like. know what all these other things are, but then now I can think more insider knowledge. I think what

If you or anybody else are interested, pinned to the top here at Keefe Malinak on X, there are a series of conversations I had with Jovan Pulitzer about election integrity in America. It's very enlightening and you will quickly come to the conclusion that there was nothing but fraud involved in the 2020 election. And he will be back here four weeks from today on November 6th on the Thursday deep dive to give us an update on where we stand as far as election integrity. I don't have my hopes up.

Matthew Crooks, Butler, Pennsylvania. Where the hell did that story go, sir? yeah, you got to do anything with that?

Speaker 1 (01:37:43.726)
I think that there's still going to be some interesting developments revealed in that because I believe that Matthew Crooks was groomed. By who? By some elements.

If you don't know if you're a journalist, I am NOT. I will say cell phone towers ping near the FBI. I will

I will tell you that we have not given up in what we're looking at in regards to that situation.

Any justice coming for those who perpetrated SWAT incidents at the homes of conservatives.

Well, you know, hey dude, dude, I just had a story about about that on Friday. shit. Did you miss it? My son the sim farms the sim farms that were discovered in New York That's where the swatting was initiated from

Speaker 2 (01:38:22.742)
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27.703)
It's

Speaker 2 (01:38:31.502)
That's right! No, I did see that from you, bro! I did! But I'm- Hello, thank you too much. That's the problem.

well, because you just go on Friday and you were. No, I mean, we, we know the or, or does the origination of those, those swatting calls against conservative influencers and politicians.

is fascinating actually.

Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54.68)
was an excellent article yes you're right you're right the blaze comm search for Steve Baker and all of his articles come up yes that that was stunning that that was an aspect of that and that's an act of war and the article clearly demonstrates

We've got more on that. We've also got more on that coming. Sorry, you know, wait for it. Yeah. It's coming.

why wasn't former FBI director James Comey awakened at a at six AM like everybody else does that's just unpersonal from me. Didn't he get a perp walk? You got a lovely little perp walk.

Yeah, I mean, they're not gonna

Mine was at 7am so...

Speaker 2 (01:39:32.528)
look at this. You're asleep in a little bit. Breaking news today, Steve Baker here. The title of the article is Video Sleuth Challenges FBI January 6th Pipe Bomb Narrative Unearths New Evidence. I couldn't stop highlighting this thing here. I mean, there's just so much here. I'm gonna, let me get the ball rolling and then you jump in, interrupt me whenever you need to, okay? I just love the opening paragraph. A detailed analysis of the January 6th

pipe bombs found new problems with the FBI evidence and advances the notion that the case could turn out to be a government created hoax. What? So it goes on to talk about the armatis who is I guess that's his handle on X. Yes, armatis.

Yeah, that's his name. He's got a different handle.

Okay. But the... the...

He'll be trending today, you can look him up, don't worry, just-

Speaker 2 (01:40:31.606)
Yes. So he put out this report that talks about how there's so much here, Steve, and I don't want to sit here and read the article, but I do want to talk to you about it. I had no idea that the bomb was planted on January 5th, retrieved and then brought back later. That was brand new information, correct? Because I wasn't aware of that person.

That's the most stunning thing that I think is part of this is it's not that it's not been theorized for quite some time. not the first person, and Armatis is not the first person to conjecture that at least at the DNC that the bomb had not been placed on the sixth rather than the fifth. But what the new evidence is of an apparent retrieval

because it was broken because originally what Armatis discovered is that the original location intended for the DNC pipe bomb was actually the congressional black caucus.

Yes, that's right. So in the bomb, if this is the bomb, a vodka bottle for those that are listening, if it was placed this way originally, that when the moron put it back, he turned it the wrong way.

and all the white supremacists.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58.902)
Right. There's multiple reasons for people to go read the story to find out the little minute. And by the way, the report that Armatis submitted to Congress, want to give, not only do want to give props to this guy for what the work is that he has done, but I was contacted by him, I want to say probably about a year and a half ago. And he was

I

Speaker 1 (01:42:25.676)
He was somebody that was intensely focused on this. I'm not being critical. I'm actually being very complimentary when I say that he's kind of a high functioning, you know, guy on the spectrum. And he admits that. And back in March of this year, he, because of the work that he was posting on his own X account at the time,

And by the way, I kept trying to get him not to post his, I was like, save it, you know, we wanted it all, but you

So how much of this article can I reveal?

Well, I mean, here's the thing. let me... It's incredible. But what happened was is that because of the work that he was posting publicly, he attracted the attention of the FBI and they started reaching out to him back in March. And then he started very cooperatively feeding them. And by his own statements to us, he believes particularly that the agent that he's working with on this investigation

information yeah yes there is

Speaker 1 (01:43:35.584)
is actually really concerned, no, really a good guy, a good guy, and really positively concerned about getting to the truth of this thing. So here we are, you know, complimenting the FBI. And, and so that he really believes that this, and in fact, because of his unique, situation, he doesn't travel and doesn't leave his home. And, and they wanted him to come up to Washington to be interviewed and to present all of his evidence there.

But because he doesn't do that, he doesn't travel, he can't. He had already arranged... They had already arranged they were gonna send a couple of agents down to his home. I'm not gonna say where, but they were gonna send agents to his home in another state. And then at that point, he would be able to kind of walk through them on video screens and that sort of thing and show them his discoveries. But then that was supposed to happen here just like this week or so, but then the government shutdown happened. So...

that got canceled. But also then just three or four days ago, actually on the third, I think is when he submitted it, but he received an email from one of the lawyers for the judiciary committee, not the select committee, but he received an email from the judiciary committee, which is Jordan's committee, asking him to send over a synopsis of his work. So he complied.

I'm to look up, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01.932)
And he put together a 26 page overview of his work, which by the way, our, I encourage, you know, I'll just tell you that we'll be, we're going to be covering more of that because we left a lot of the detail out because, you know, we only have so many words we can get in a story that people will read. And, and if we get permission from him to publish this, then we will, I will publish his work directly.

But the other thing is that he complied to that as well. So not only were the FBI interested in his work, but the Judiciary Committee wants it and that was sent up and he addressed it directly to Congressman Barry Loudermilk, who is the chairman of the new select subcommittee to investigate January 6th. So that's who he addressed it to. And Joe Hanneman, also from the Blaze, my partner in crime on many of these stories and these investigations,

we prepared this and put this together, our own synopsis of his work in the story that we published today. And I'll just tell you, as I said in my own ex-post of that article, is that there's more coming and we're excited to roll that out. And, you know, again, on a positive note, maybe, I...

in the process of, know, we do these stories, we have to reach out to the characters that we talk about, whether we're talking about the FBI or Secret Service, like the story that came out last week about the Sim farms, we have to reach out to them with questions and comments. So for instance, last week, when I reached out to the Secret Service before we posted that article about the Sim farms, I got an immediate response from them. They were very friendly. We went over my list of questions. They gave us answers and actually asked us to

hold off on a couple of our things that we were going to reveal for quote unquote operational security. And we agreed to that. And so in this particular story, I reached out to the FBI or we reached out, I think actually Joe did this time. He reached out to the FBI to get comment with a couple of just two questions. And he got a, he got an auto response from his email because they said due to the government shutdown.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20.13)
We're only taking questions right now that are pertaining to national security. So I went, okay. I went, okay. Well, guess what? have, I have, I have access to both cash and Dan. I'll just send them the questions directly. So I bypassed their public relations office and send it directly to them. And we got favorable comment back. So we're going to, didn't get answers in time for the story, but it looks like we may be able to actually talk to them. So I'm looking forward to that in a very positive way.

I want to read a quote from your story, if I could. Yeah. the DNC video has been doctored. So this is the video from the DNC building has been doctored so much in so hard that it is no longer representative of events in real time. End quote. That's a quote from armadice. I want to point out, he's so good that we know what kind of shoes, the bomb planter was wearing.

It goes on to talk about a handoff of sorts. There's more people involved in this as far as blocking. Well, anyway, read the article. It's incredible information here. Let's go ahead.

take something we didn't cover in the story but I think is the most damning issue related to we'll call it the previous FBI and that is this with with regards to the DNC video not only are the couple of cameras of information that the FBI only ever released a few seconds of related to pipe bomber when he sat down on the bench

not only has it been highly altered, mean, they cut down to literally one frame per second as opposed to 10 or 30 from a high definition or even more down to one frame per second. But Armitage told me months ago as he was examining this, and by the way, this is what he does. I'm not going to give away what he does, where he works, who he works for, but this is his profession. And it's why he's so good at it is that he was able to actually identify from the

Speaker 1 (01:49:29.42)
the digital footprint where whoever was manipulating the frame rate actually removed frames and moved them to another place. That's why I said the timelines are they don't even represent.

Yeah, there's a thing in the article where it talks about the time sync is actually 15 seconds off. Is that because of all that heavy editing?

Absolutely and then but this is still still not even the most damning part about the DNC videos. So the DNC cameras are not the Capitol Police cameras. Capitol Police cameras which we proved through you know our work a year or more ago was that these investigative cameras were turned away from the investigation scene coincidentally by somebody. Yeah, long time ago. But cameras turned away.

Now you reported on that a couple of years ago.

Where from?

Speaker 1 (01:50:19.35)
Yeah, of those couple of cameras at the DNC is where in the hell is the footage from the middle of the night? Where's the hell is the footage from the next morning if they would just release the footage from those two cameras? We would know exactly what happened when the cat when the Secret Service bomb dogs did their sweet

We would know exactly what happened when the Secret Service agents did their sweep, the human guys do an investigation because Kamala Harris was on her way there that day. That's why the Secret Service was there. And then we would also know who found the bomb. We know that it was a United States Capitol police counter surveillance team that found it.

We would know, we would know whether they were the ones that returned it. We would know whether somebody retrieved it at 4 40 AM conclusively, they could shoot this theory down in a heartbeat. So the question I have for the current FBI, as well as the old FBI is where in the hell is the footwork? want 20, give us 24 hours from those two cameras. Damn it. It's not hard.

You only have seconds

No, no, no, it's even better. Your story has that awesome detail about when you try to access, it crashes the system.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52.918)
That well, that's the, that's the cellular network and this is the first net network because see there, you know, this, this guy that I told you earlier, that I interviewed, you know, for nine hours, this guy, it's a former FBI went through whistleblower blah and blah, blah, blah, blah. He had a first net card that he kept in his pocket in his wallet because when, cellular systems go down because of a.

you know, let's just say maybe a terror attack or maybe they're overwhelmed by a large gigantic crowd like on January 6th. Then the first responders have priority access through a special number code, whatever. But he said, yeah. He said, I had my card with the access code to access FirstNet. Well, it just so happens that that FirstNet, the network that should have been able to pick up his text messages and his phone calls, the little hooded alleged bomber, you know,

because he's found as Armitage shows in his report here, he's seen many times taking texts, sending texts, talking on the phone, sending, he's getting and receiving messages, which some of them seem to be to alter his location and his destination, those kinds of things. And in the process of that, the next day when it was overwhelmed, and now we're being told that those files were corrupted and deleted, so you're saying that

Not only was the entire AT &T network corrupted and deleted during that time period, but the FirstNet data was corrupted as well. Well, yeah, apparently that's what they're saying. And it just so happened that the girl, Carolyn Younger, Carolyn Younger, however you say her name, who found the alleged bomb at the RNC, actually it wasn't the RNC, it was the Capital City Club. And the girl that found it, she happened to be an employee of FirstNet.

at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49.89)
Wacko

That's in the story. Now, not making any implications there. just saying, just

Just the fact, just the facts, ma'am. Okay. Okay. One last question about the story. And then I have one more comment and then you can say whatever you want to say on the story. I wanted to ask you, it's kind of alluded to in the article. And so I'm going to ask you to tell us something that's not in there if you have this knowledge.

The J6 pipe bomber seemed to be familiar with the area. Yeah. Do we know based, cause I don't know where all the cameras in DC are, but do we know, we know the individual is five foot seven. We know what kind of shoes the individual wore. Do we know where that individual lives? No. Okay. and then my final thoughts before I let you have the last word.

I think Cash Patel and I think Dan Bongino are good people. I really do. I think they were the best people for the roles that they're in. But something has happened. My gut tells me something has happened and I don't know what that is, but.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15.882)
I sincerely hope that...

They do the right thing in all things. And I hope that they course correct as soon as possible. Do I think that there are certain things that are going to take longer than others? Absolutely. Investigations, uncovering evidence, trying to unwind a century of decay, quite frankly, at the FBI.

Those I understand and I give grace on some of those things, man. Absolutely. Yeah. But some of these things seem so simple and if they're not, then please tell us. Yeah. But when it comes to like the whistleblowers, I cannot understand. With investigations, I can. With uncovering the corruption and the rot that's been in there for generations, I get it. But so help me.

you

Speaker 2 (01:56:15.284)
If you want more grace on all of these other things that are full on investigations or corruption that needs to be rooted out, then take what should be an easy PR win. Get these whistleblowers back on the job. And I just wonder if he thinks a tweet from August is going to suffice and make people think,

Well, I guess that's done good. That's not going to do it. Okay, we're going to keep bugging you. I promise you. Anyway, I hope that things change. I hope that good wins over evil.

I'm still stunned that Trump won and was inaugurated after all the corruption that has been revealed in our electoral system. So now that we've got them in place, we know that power is fleeting and that the clock is ticking. So I'm begging you to work faster, get this stuff course corrected as soon as humanly possible because

I do think that y'all are the right people for this job. I don't necessarily have the same thought about your boss, talking about the attorney general, but anyway, that's a conversation for another time. Steve Baker, do you have something else you want to leave us with here before we part ways and you go and have a fun evening?

Yeah, know, cash, Dan, call me. it's, know, it's no more complicated than that. If you want to talk, let's talk. give us the reasons to these questions that Keith has asked today because you can, you can give us the reasons if there are in fact reasons for, why this is slow rolled, why it

Speaker 1 (01:58:16.288)
to your brick walled, why you're not getting the help that you need from your own agency to take care of these things. Tell us. These are the kind of PR wins that would be easy for you if you do that. Well, we want to be, okay? And I'll just say this, know, and again, from the people that I talked to that are not, and you know,

We are your allies, man!

Speaker 1 (01:58:42.936)
we're not talking about the community of whistleblowers, but retired agents as well as current employees is that their most positive thing that they feel like is that the current administration may be in over their head and don't know what they got into when they, you know, went out with, you know, or came in with the, you know, all the proclamations of turning, you know, the Hoover building into a museum state.

Who let that one go?

Right. Once they got there, they went, crap, it's worse than that. All right.

I don't doubt it. I mean Mike Lee famously said that the House of Cards TV show, it's worse than that.

Yeah, yeah, but it's, it's, it's, there, are, I'll go back to the same, to saying the same thing. The biggest fix they re they need right now is on the PR side. And I hope that that's all it is. If it's worse than that, they should tell us, they should roll out and explain exactly what is keeping them from doing the things that they promised to do or what the delays are keeping them from doing what they promised to do.

Speaker 1 (01:59:57.594)
and then we'll report it and we'll, you know, as I said, regardless of what I know, what I think I know, what I'm being told, you know, here's the thing, I'm being told things on a daily basis. I question, I don't know if I'm being set up to embarrass me. Okay. bet bro. I have to ask that question every single day of every single piece of information that I get. They also have to be asking the same exact question.

are they being told things to embarrass them? that is a real problem with how information is manipulated out of DC. And I'm not talking about just the Bureau, but this is true, especially true in the entire intelligence community, because there is, you know, there's disinformation, there's counter disinformation, there's a reason why they call them double agents, you know, and it's spy versus spy, you know, in that town.

And that sometimes that's even between the agencies themselves. Let me tell you, the agencies themselves, they don't necessarily like each other all the time.

And we have no idea what they're going through. And we have no idea what they're facing on a daily basis. But boy, it's frustrating on this.

Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15.704)
He right, but yeah, Steve Baker, go to the blaze.com do a search for Steve Baker and you'll find all of his awesome articles. Follow him on X at Steve Baker USA. We'll do this again at some point. Hopefully we'll have some good news to report on what's happening in the world until then y'all please be well. We will see you here 22 hours from now, 3 PM Eastern for the Friday live stream. Brad and Rebecca will join me and I promise you I got a lot of lighthearted stuff in the stack for tomorrow.

All right, y'all be well, please be safe. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it.

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