Speaker 2 (00:00.294)
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Speaker 2 (02:23.286)
My dogs. So I've got two awesome guests today. And I thought, you know, I gotta get these guys on together. And we're going to talk about the FBI because one of the more exciting elements of the Donald Trump administration when it came to appointments was cash Patel heading up the FBI. I wanted that so badly. I was so excited.

when that became a reality. And then when he put Dan Bongino as his number two, I'm like, my gosh, this is like better than I could have ever fathomed. So now we're just a little more than three months in. On Tuesday will be day 100, I believe it is Tuesday, will be day 100 of the Donald Trump second term. And like you, I'm looking at the FBI and I'm thinking,

Okay, all right. mean, give them some time, right? We're going to get there. We're going to get some awesome stuff. It's coming any day now. I'm going to just check my phone. And there's going to be people in handcuffs. There's going to be all these indictments just coming out of the woodwork with all the charges and man, those Epstein files too. Those are coming too. So here we are. And I'm getting a little concerned to get a little antsy. And I've got questions and I want to know when we're going to see some stuff.

Some more stuff with substance, okay? But my guests today are going to either confirm the fact that I should be disappointed or they're gonna tell me to be patient. And I have no idea. don't have a lot of, I got some talking, got some questions here, but I don't know what they're gonna say. But I do know that Steve Friend, and he's got to be.

Just exhausted with the whole could you please stop introducing me as FBI whistleblower Steve friend Steve is a former FBI agent who has this incredible if you want to know what's going on at the FBI Yeah, it's the American radicals podcast available at Spotify and iTunes rumble the American radicals podcast where Steve He you and Garrett you spill the tea on what's really going on at the FBI

Speaker 2 (04:47.586)
Well, you were there and even today. So I appreciate you making time. I've had you one before where we've talked about the FBI during the last administration. I've had a lot of questions about the FBI. I've said, I'm Mr. Hashtag defund the FBI. I'm Mr. Look at how the FBI just completely set this thing up. I can't stand the FBI. So I had new hope under this administration. And so I'm to be asking you today, Steve Friend.

if I should still have hope or if it's just more of the same. Now, another guy who is intimately familiar with the FBI is a coworker of mine over at the Blaze. His name is Steve Baker. Steve Baker has, you've had a run in with the FBI that people may be aware of. You know what? I bet you're exhausted and tired of hearing people say, yeah, Jay Sixer, Steve Baker. But you're an investigative reporter. You've done some great stuff over there.

you've got a three part series on the professional liar Harry Dunn and his role during January 6th. A lot of great stuff that you've written about with the FBI. So before we went on today, I said, you know what, guys, I think I'm going to introduce you. I'm going to walk out of the room for a couple of hours and I'll come back and we'll wrap it up because I'm honestly, I'm not needed here.

And I appreciate y'all making time. let's just, honestly, I don't know where to begin. And by the way, Steve, I'm so grateful that you're here and that your health is good. We will get into it at some point, the health issues that you've had for the last five weeks, But thank you for being here. Thank you for being alive. okay, let me just grab my first printed up thing here.

Should we talk about this a tweet from Steve Friend at real Steve Friend on Twitter and you see at Steve Baker USA for for see I don't I can't say Steve I can't say Steve I gotta say friend and Baker today. So anyway Steve Friend you had a tweet a couple of weeks ago says Steven Jensen orchestrated the FBI's weaponized response to J6. His promotion is indefensible no matter who is recruited to pimp the narrative.

Speaker 2 (07:11.842)
This is not 4D chess, nor anything close to a good thing. Now, I've got some specific questions for you here coming up, gentlemen. But I wanted to start there, because that seems emblematic of maybe some red flags with this new and improved, new and improved FBI, huh?

I'm waiting for the benign and innocent explanation for why that promotion was pushed on through as we were reliably assured that we would get. know, I'm waiting for that the same amount of time I'm for the Epstein list, of course. For background, Steven Jensen was the section chief of DTOS, which is the domestic terrorism operations section. He was the J-6 warlord by his own telling. He testified to this fact that he was in charge, the architect of the FBI's investigations.

and the way that those were brought forward for January 6 at large. was the buck stops with him. He had counterparts at DOJ, but he testified to that fact. Now after that, the FBI does what it loves to do with problem children, and that is send them over to the training division at Quantico, Virginia, where the new Agent Academy is. He spent some time there. It was laundered effectively enough to be promoted to become the special agent in charge of the Columbia office in South Carolina, pretty plum assignment. And then...

Now that we have a new director, new deputy director, I think they probably got some information from the people who are surrounding them or coiling around them like vipers. This was a good man, a good company man with experience in national security. We could bring him in to become the ADIC, which is an actual term, the assistant director in charge of Washington field office, which is a very prominent position. He was elevated to that. So now you have promoted him.

Now originally the pushback was that's New York Times, that's fake news. Well, unfortunately for those who pushed for that, which was like cat dirt and gateway pundit, the Suspendables, my buddies and I were able to produce the email that went around from Steven Jensen to the Washington field office saying like, Hey, I'm so grateful to be here and be your boss. And then immediately there was the pivot to this is fake news. no, it's real true news, but it's actually a good thing. And.

Speaker 1 (09:28.642)
the simpers went out there and said that this was great because he clearly had made this bargain that he was promoted because he knows where the bodies are buried, which is ridiculous because from a case handling standpoint, he's like five derivatives removed from actually managing a case. He wouldn't know the intricacies of it. And what bodies did he know are buried? Does it mean that people who were above him, because you don't work your way up the chain command and get the lower level people, it will be higher level people. So he's...

Now parlay that into a promotion. Now if he knows where the bodies are buried, let's say he knows that secretly Nancy Pelosi and Harry Dunn are besties and they plan the entire thing, then the deal that should be struck is, Stephen, you don't get to go to prison and you give us the information, not you get promoted two times. Now the Julie Kelley's of the world went out and said that he knows where the bodies are buried.

But by that logic, we should just make Christopher Wray the director of the FBI because he knows where the bodies are buried. We should just make Mayorkas the Homeland Security Secretary because he knows where the bodies are buried. That it doesn't hold stand up at all. And I think that they just spun like tops because they got realized that when I say they, think that leadership at the FBI realized that they made an uh-oh and a mistake. instead of saying,

I'm surrounded by a bunch of snakes coiling around me. There will be results. They just tried to pivot away and say, just trust us, give us some time.

And Baker, I want to get you on this as well. But you just said something I wasn't going to get to until later on. But since you brought it up there, I printed up this tweet from, I was promoting this live stream earlier this week, and a gentleman by the name of Philip Kennedy, he tweeted, from what I've seen so far, there was hardly any reason to get rid of Chris Ray. Thoughts on that, gentlemen?

Speaker 1 (11:22.894)
Phil Kennedy is a friend of mine and yes, he's a member of the Suspendables. He's not been as prominently spoken about because he's got his own private affairs and he actually works for a living as opposed to me who does content creation fantasy camp. But you're talking about a guy who was run off by the FBI in the same way that we all were. Actually was the longest tenured one of all of us. I think he has like 14, 15 years of experience. So nobody's more disappointed than Phil Kennedy.

I see. So Steve, what are your thoughts on the Steven Jensen situation there? Cause I mean, you, obviously have a, a connection to J6.

Well, first of all, it was naive on somebody's part to believe that they could send out an email, the one that Steve Friend referred to just a moment ago to 2500 ish employees in DC and not expect somebody to leak that email. Obviously somebody did because the New York Times found out about it. And the New York Times wasn't even writing a story about that. was just, it was a, it was literally embedded in a story like seven or eight paragraphs down of a

a list of things that are going on in DC. And the thing that caught the New York Times eye was this seems a little odd. And they literally approached it that way. It was like, okay, so this guy who we know was responsible for all of these hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of J6, know, prosecutions, persecutions, however you want to couch it has been promoted by MAGA for some reason, somehow to be elevated to this new position over the Washington field office.

Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:00.584)
Even the New York times found that a little, well, I wouldn't say suspicious, but curious so much. So I even got a call from one of the actual writers there at the New York time who's byline is included in that article and Helen, Alan calls me and he goes, he goes after it all broke, you know, and everything. And he goes,

Me too!

Speaker 3 (13:28.322)
Will somebody just tell me what the F is going on here? And, I, I, yeah. And I told him, said, well, I said it's Maga versus Maga, know, right now is, is what it is. It's, it's an internal feud over, this, this appointment, this elevation, this promotion of a guy. And then suddenly he's being,

defended and patted on the back and by those who only days before, maybe even hours before would have ripped him a new asshole. and, I, but they turned on a dime because it was basically, it felt like the first thing I said, and I said this to Alan, I said, it feels like the queue. And he's like, what do mean? I said, trust the plan. He goes, my God, you're right. And, it's trust the plan, trust the plan.

Well, like, I mean, obviously Steve and the other, suspendibles have their own unique sources, related to the bureau. And, as a working journalist, I've been able to put together some of my own direct sources, directly inside the bureau. And I have been told when this whole thing erupted here a few weeks ago, I was told directly from an inside source.

On this very specific and actual reason that Jensen had been hired or promoted and moved back to, WFO. And I was told that I can't say what it is because the reason itself without my source, if I, if I even breathe the reason. So I've been sitting on this for several weeks now. I still haven't breathed.

still

Speaker 3 (15:21.206)
are given breath or, or, you know, platform to the actual reason why he was brought in, but what it doesn't do even. I think, I think the reason is total bullshit by the way, but

Well then you answered my follow up which was going to be are people like me going to be happy when all the truth comes out as far as what you're referring to?

No, no, because, because Steve Steve said it perfectly a moment ago. He said it perfectly. No. If, if this guy has been sitting on this level of information for four years, an employee of the FBI, I see, then that's you tell me, you tell me Steve, it's a crime. It's a crime for him to be, have been sitting on this information and what should have been offered to him, as you said, was, you know,

immunity from prosecution and you get to go home and find another job somewhere doing something else, but not elevated to the head of the Washington field office. And that's, and that's what I'm there's, there's, there's going to be no way anybody's going to be able to throttle me back from screaming that from, you know, our bull horn at the blaze. If in fact, this is what happens with this guy.

and he has been elevated for the reason that I've been told he's been elevated. Now trust the plan.

Speaker 2 (16:44.674)
Hahaha!

I look, here's, here's, here's, it's all, it's over the last couple of days, you know, even they're, talking about just, they're putting the police's and, and, and the piece of the puzzle in play to make these arrests and reveal these things that we've been hoping to for the last several weeks since, cash and Dan have been promoted to, you know, director and deputy director. and we're sitting back here going, a minute.

You know, by this time in the J six prosecutions, there was over 400 arrests had been made. were swatting misdemeanor defendants with 20, 25 agents with guns up nonviolent misdemeanor defendants. And they were worrying about building the case against them later.

Am I right, Stephen?

Exactly right. I look, you have other examples across the government at this point that you can compare it to. mean, Scott Bessent over at Treasury has taken on the IRS. They're in the process of shutting down 110 out of 600 of these offices around the country. They're in process of firing 7000 probationary employees. They actually re they elevated one of the whistleblowers, Gary Shapley, to become the acting commissioner of the IRS.

Speaker 1 (18:07.534)
And then you have Linda McMahon over at Department of Education, who's just basically like, I don't know, I'll turn out the lights and put a lock on the door. That's kind of what her mandate is. Seeing those sorts of things happen, except where, in my humble opinion, where it matters the most, and that is at the DOJ and the FBI, you can't afford to be patient with these two because the stakes are just so high, because they have the ability, through the force of law, through the force of a gun, to take away your freedom.

and potentially your life. cannot go in, and this may be just a philosophical disagreement that we have with the director and the deputy director. I believe that they've gone in with the Afghanistan approach of we're going to win hearts and minds because there are so many good men and women of the FBI. And that when they see the example we set, they will return to default settings and have rigorous obedience to the constitution be the first and foremost and only concern their prime directive.

We have a proof of concept with what happened in Afghanistan. That's an impossible achievement. They needed to go in with shock and awe and put heads on pikes, metaphorically, I don't want to get you canceled, and fire significant numbers of people, which might include some good people. And then those people can reapply. Or if they're good people, they can find gainful employment elsewhere. It was better to take too many people out and then also to pursue righteous

prosecutions and investigations of the people who abused their positions of authority because that was the mandate that was sent. And I don't see it happening right now. I'm waiting for the master plan to reveal itself. But looking up and you mentioned before, we're almost at a hundred days. My buddy, Garrett O'Boyle, has been indefinitely suspended forever by the FBI for 941 days as four children, not a paycheck.

That could be solved on day one. That doesn't take a process. That's a strike of a pen from the director or the deputy director. Put him on paid suspension. Do right by that guy. They could have done some other things like eliminating the intelligence branch. They could have eliminated the very quota system that I blew the whistle about that was wholly unnecessary and inappropriate. That's not a law. There's no legislation that came from Congress directing them to do that. That's internal. That could have been resolved. And we could have least gotten

Speaker 1 (20:30.88)
a little bit of grace, a little bit of the down payment on the escrow to buy back some patients. Say, hey, look, we can't turn over the Epstein list to you. They promised it. They should have delivered. And instead, James Dennehy and the New York field office stepped to them and they melted away like a cardboard box in a rainstorm. But they could have said, we have a task force. We're investigating 300 people on that list like we did to January 6th. And give us one name if need be. Or they could have opened up the books on other things that

would have not compromised ongoing investigations like what the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is the victim of, and that's the Butler Pennsylvania assassination plot. Why hasn't that been turned over? Just little things that could be done right away. And instead we're getting hearts and minds, we're getting pictures with the rescue team, we're getting press releases that I cover down on all the time. The big one that happened last night was we're very excited that we have arrested this huge leader.

a member of Trende Aragua, and you get a statement from the director of the FBI about how they're standing in the gap and protecting the American people. And then you read the press release and it says that Colombian officials arrested him and he's in their custody. And this is a process that takes 18 to 24 months, which means it started under the Biden administration.

Right, and by the way, you did a great job in yesterday's show, American Radicals podcast, and you're doing it here. You actually read the press releases, whereas the FBI hopes you just see the post and go, they got this guy on a federal, I wanna go through some of these headlines. But I just, it's like you take two seconds to read their press releases, you go, how did they even tweet that out? Like, what are we doing?

here. It briefs well, man. It's they're talking about people who their entire existence is based on does it brief well, can I make a PowerPoint slide with it with the bullet points? And then we're on to the next thing. And if they're relying on people being of similar mindset, because the press releases are often like two or three paragraphs long. I mean, I'm not reading through any like a Dickens novel, right? paragraph two. And it says, according to the court documents, and then you read three sentences and realize, the FBI didn't do anything.

Speaker 2 (22:43.832)
I've got two specific questions for you, Steve friend. Have you or Garrett or boiler, anyone you know that, was formerly with the FBI, good, good people like yourself, have you gotten so much as a phone call from the new administration? Would you even go back at this point? If you were called in and said, Hey, we want you to come back. Please same position, whatever. mean, would you even go back at this point?

Well, if you asked me a couple of months ago, I probably would have given you the response, a different response, because I have no desire to live in Washington, D.C. I was under maybe the misconception that if I got a phone call, it would be something to that regard. Like, hey, we need to get you to be the voice in the room here to say like, hey, maybe we should say no to this really bad idea. But now, if an offer were put out there, it would probably be in the form of do you want to go back to doing your old job, which.

was a fulfilling job, but at the same time, I'd be working for the exact same human being who walked me out of the office, which might create a little static. I mean, it'd be fun for 20 minutes to roll in and be like, I'm not doing whatever you tell me again. But then I'd have a target on my back for the foreseeable future because I need to do another 10 and a half years. So the odds of me making it to a retirement age would be slim to none. I'm also, though, in the Richard Gere officer in a gentleman situation.

Like I have nowhere else to go. have a decade and a half of law enforcement experience and I am unemployed and unemployable seemingly at this point. Like I've put in applications recently to a car wash near where I live and got rejected. The mark that is left on you because all you have to do is Google my name and any employer is like, you know, it's just not worth it. I got 25 people behind him who can do that job.

I'm just going to move on and find somebody else. I applied for law enforcement jobs and been told the exact same thing. Like it's just, you know, we can't touch you at this point. You're radioactive. So then I'm in a difficult position. Then I'm in a really a compromised position that I've always railed against because you have this job and it's the only job you can do. So maybe the resolution would be, we don't want you. And that's their fine. If they don't want me, it's not my circus, man. I'm happy to be a resource for them.

Speaker 1 (25:03.57)
I don't have to be a W-2 employee to do that. I can be a texting buddy with you. But we need to have a bookend for all of us. Because if you don't, it's very clear then that regardless of who the director of the FBI is, regardless of who the attorney general, regardless of the president of the United States, if you come forward with a reasonable concern of waste fraud or abuse, the risk of public safety, violation of rule policy, law or procedure, and you embarrass the Bureau, your life and your future potential earning prospects, your career,

is destroyed forever. That message will be solidified. It will have a chilling effect. But that might be actually what they want at this point.

I'm so angry for you and I cannot even for five seconds imagine what it's like to be in your shoes. By the way, you are an author. People want to go and find your book at Amazon. Look for Steve Friend's book. How can people support you and help you? mean, is there a fund? there something? Because this is what I want, actually. I want you to get rehired, like you said, for 20 minutes.

just long enough to go down to HR, Nick, to collect your back paycheck. And then you could go ahead and walk right out.

That would be nice. right. Medical retirement. mean, like I haven't slept in two and a half years. That could be medical.

Speaker 2 (26:24.256)
But is there a way to help out you and your family,

Right now, mean, we're just doing the content creation. if you enjoy my perspective on things, the American Medicals podcast is really the only game that I have going right now. So that's available, Rumble. We do it three days a week, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. But you can always catch up if you miss it, 10.30 on Rumble. And it also streams on iTunes and Spotify and iHeart. Our emblem, looks like the Hamilton emblem, except he's got an AR-15 over his head.

That's so good. Okay, so Steve Baker My co-worker over at the blaze. I want to start this question with you I honestly don't know if you have any updated information if you've heard anything and then Steve friend if you could weigh in as well again I don't know that you'll have any information on this but you mentioned there Steve friend when you were talking about the the guy at the You were referencing the Southern District of New York FBI field office, correct with the Epstein files

James Dennehy.

Okay, thank you. So has there been any movement that you guys have heard of on the Epstein file front? Earlier this week, the president was asked in the Oval Office, he said, you know what, I need to talk to AG Bondi about that. Let me get some information for you on that. So I guess my question is more of a larger, and we'll start with you, Baker. Have you heard any update on that?

Speaker 2 (27:51.85)
And then I want to ask you guys, do you think that the hang up is still at the FBI field office in New York? Do you think the hang up is at the FBI down in DC? Or do you think the hang up is the White House itself? Any thoughts on this?

The answer to your question is very simple. It has nothing to do really with the hang up or, you know, the bottleneck being, um, you know, New York, uh, FBI office or the DC FBI office. The hang up has to do with the politics itself. The politics means that the, the names on the list and not just the names, but the underlying investigations behind all the people that they have names of.

is so toxic to both parties. It's going to be held up forever. I mean, you know, look how long we waited on JFK's files to come out, you know, and, and, it's, it's the nature of the beast and why nothing gets done in the first place. mean, we, we, we, we tend to be, you know, we have our own little village. you've got Hillary's village over here and then you've got, you know, the Trump's village over here.

Hmm.

Speaker 3 (29:06.318)
It's, it's, we've got two of the two party system. you see the thing from things from the left or the right with some little, you know, a shading of colors in between. But the reality is, is that the corruption runs so deep on both sides that until you realize that, know, when they, you know, look, it's, it's, it's always, it's always, been said, and we've all, we've all heard the, it's not a cliche. It's true.

you know, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. Well, my, my favorite Arthur author, Frank Herbert, wrote dune, actually postulated that it's actually goes one step deeper than that. It's that power attracts the corruptible and that's, that's the tough part. That doesn't mean a hundred percent of every single person that goes to DC goes there with a corrupt heart, mind, soul, but

they are corruptible, most of them, and they, they fall into the trap and it's, and it can be as innocent as insider trading. You know, you got, you see the legislation that's coming and you could get, honey, you need to buy so many shares of XYZ, know, and, and then 10 years later on a

$180,000 annual income, you're worth, you know, $130 billion or $130 million. What do you like? How did that happen? What happens? And, and then it goes, it gets much worse than that because if we're talking about the Epstein files, we're talking about, you know, sexual, um, deviancy or at least, know, whether they're, whether they're sleeping with underage kids or having sex with underage kids or not, it shows that they're stepping out on a

their sap, their spouses probably, and be if a particularly, if they're a God family and country Republican GOP, you know, waving that banner, then they're stepping out on their, professed morals as you know, and, they're going to do everything they can to stop that list from coming out.

Speaker 2 (31:25.213)
boy, yeah, Steve Friend, thoughts?

I avow just about everything that Steve Baker said there. think the compromised aspect to it is something that's not even just limited to the elected officials. You have members of the bureaucracy itself who are compromised as well. mean, it doesn't even have to extend to anything salacious. The fact of the matter is most people that I encountered within government service were financially compromised.

You have to fill out the financial disclosure so the FBI and the federal government knows where you are on things. And they can easily present something to you like, well, you you sure you want to say no to this directive that we're giving you, even though it's out of step with your oath of office? You owe alimony and you got kids in college and you got two mortgage payments going on. You just bought a boat last year. You sure you want to do that?

directly quoting exactly a person who I worked with, but that's Legion. then just specifically to the Epstein list, I think that that's been built off of something. And I think rightfully so, but at the same time, it would be healthy to recognize that knowing who is on the Epstein list would not change anybody on this panel's life, anybody in the audience's life at all.

I mean, I don't know, maybe Bill Gates is watching at the mic, but what would change your life significantly is knowing that the federal law enforcement apparatus that has that possession of that is actively pursuing the people on it in a fashion that we deem to be acceptable in a judicious manner and as quickly as possible and making sure that they're going to present a buttoned up prosecution of the offenders on that list. But we haven't got that.

Speaker 1 (33:19.638)
Instead, we got a promise of we're just going to hand over the list. And then it didn't, and not only did it not happen, it didn't happen in a fashion that was very clear that the hearts and minds are not winnable from significant swaths of the FBI because James Dennehy was forced to retire, meaning he gets his full pension. He wasn't fired for cause. He got to retire. He walked out with a bagpipe and honor guard ceremony to the

thralls of hundreds of employees standing ovations. You tell me that that is an agency that is prepared to have an overhaul possible? I'm now at a point where I'm back to where I was where it's, all right, we're going to maybe do a renovation. Maybe it's possible. I don't think so, anyway. I think it's a demolition. You can't put a new coat of paint on this thing and say, well, we'll change the topsoil if necessary. Everybody's going to snap back to what we thought that they could do.

because really at its core, it never was doing what people believed it did. In the recent episode that you alluded to on American Radicals podcast, I pulled up the pilot episode of the FBI, which aired on ABC from 1965 to 1974. And the final 30 seconds of that episode was how they close out every show. And that is with the main protagonist driving his FBI convertible Mustang, which would have been awesome.

They close out and they throw up the emblem of the FBI. The producers of the show want to say a special thanks to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover and his associates. That's the misconception that was put forward that everybody has in their head of, that's what the FBI really does. When really the FBI, its entire existence, has essentially been about preserving the status quo for the swamp, for the one big club that we ain't all in. And they're the teeth on the attack dog to go after anyone who wants to disrupt that. So if you want to be disruptive to that and

push things like, we want civil rights. Well, then we'll send the FBI out against you and we'll go spy on MLK. We don't believe in sending off 18 to 22 year old men to die in the swamps of Vietnam. Well, we're going to send the FBI against you. Or, you know, we kind of don't like the overarching government pressure on people. We kind of want to have our own homestead. Well, we can't have that. So Ruby Ridge, here you go. We're going to send the hostage rescue team there. And then we've gone.

Speaker 1 (35:44.14)
This evolution has gone more and more and more and particularly ramped up post 9-11, post Patriot Act, and we gave all the tools to the national security apparatus. And I've come around to comparing what we see with our current federal law enforcement capability, particularly in the FBI, to Skynet from Terminator. Because Skynet from Terminator is artificial intelligence, not good, not bad, just is ones and zeros.

And when Skynet becomes self-aware, it comes to the conclusion that its enemy is anyone who will unplug it, who will turn it off. So therefore Skynet turns against the humans. And then we got two good movies and then the rest we want to forget actually about. Flash that forward to September 12th, 2001, when we armed the bureaucracy of the FBI with the Patriot Act with the mission set, but it's a bureaucracy, self-looking ice cream cone, justify its existence. Inevitably it will

evolve its mission set, and it'll do it slow enough and through good PR to make you think that it's doing good work. But eventually it stopped looking for legitimate bad actors and evolve it into whoever is going to be bad for the bureaucracy. The goal of bureaucracy is to grow in material, funding, and personnel and capabilities. So if you don't like that, we'll just target you as a terrorist and come after you, which is what we saw under the Biden administration.

Before we leave the Epstein idea, let's look at a couple of uncomfortable realities about this. mean, first of all, if you're just on Jeffrey Epstein's personal planes flight list, that's not a crime. Okay. You start there. so then, the investigation has to go beyond that. Where, where were you going? What were you doing? did you get videotaped sleeping with underage women on an island? et cetera, et cetera. And, and.

And there may or may not be evidences of these incidences taking place. And if, if you're a, know, if you're 70 something year old Bill Clinton and you're on the plane and you're flying to Epstein's Island and you're banging up 18, 21 year olds or whatever, but it's still not a crime. It's not a crime. We're not look good, you know, in, in, uh, your, your PR office, but it's still not a crime. You can be, you can be.

Speaker 3 (38:08.174)
Well, for instance, in here in North Carolina, the age of consent is 16. So you can be a 78 year old, crusty, a vile slobbering senator who can barely, you know, put a sentence together anymore. And you can have a relationship with a 16 year old and it's not a crime. Yeah. So I would imagine.

of all the people on that list, there's going to be a lot of them just that are like, they're waiting for the bad PR battle, but there's not going to be charges filed. There's a lot of loopholes in there. You're talking about sexual crimes. and obviously there are some, some girls who have come forward and, who've talked about being, you know, being used and, trafficked marketed, when they were underage.

But, but, it's going to be, it's going to be a very, very, let's just say that the high expectations of, know, this file being released are not going to be satisfied.

All right.

yeah, I mean, I think, I think, I think you're absolutely right, but you know what sucks is that you have an administration that made this big deal, made a big and wrote a check that their mouth can't cash or how's it, what's the saying anyway, did I get that right?

Speaker 1 (39:36.81)
Your mouth's right to check your body can't catch

That's it, something like that. Anyway, so I totally screwed that one up. Have you ever been to Idaho, the state of Idaho, Steve Rint? It's lovely. It's one of my favorite states.

It truly is. Nope, live in Florida, the land of milk and honey.

Okay, well Ryan DeVille has a proposal you should move to. Is it Kootenai County? I get that right, Ryan? You could be voted into sheriff. So, bro, if I had your background, just all things being equal, that is a tempting offer. It's so lovely up there. Anyway, you should think about it. It's not nearly as humid as Florida, Steve French.

There you go.

Speaker 1 (40:16.238)
terrorist the thought that's blasphemy. live in Daytona. There's no humidity. There's no mosquitoes. The only thing we have are alligators and they keep California away. Right.

We need something in Texas. It's too late for us. But in hindsight, need something. Rattlesnakes, they keep, no, no, they've got those in California. Tarent, no, no, kind of think of something. Okay, gentlemen, I guess let's start with you first on this one, guess. Steve Baker, can't, I've gotten my order out of, I'm messed up now. Talk to us about George Hill and Brian Alton. I'm specifically referring to, it's Phil.

I didn't even realize this. It's Phil Kennedy again. The Bureau's MAGA media mouthpieces were recently more upset about an analyst named George Hill than the one named Brian Auten.

You want me to jump in on that? Okay. mean, mean, obviously Steve friend is more, aware and intimately, engage with these guys, but, but let me tell you as an, as an honorary suspendable, which I do wear that badge with honor and have worn it prominently, in some very interesting, circumstances.

On either one, I'm-

Speaker 1 (41:29.354)
Not honorary, you're officially in. We don't like beat you into the gang, Steve. That's fine.

But, but the, point being is, is that, is that one of the most disturbing issues about this, it's, it's come up a couple of times. It's, it's manifested itself here in this Jensen promotion, but it came up the first time in the Mar-a-Lago raid was when the suspendables myself included. Thank you, Steve.

We just said, wait a minute, hold on. This is not quite the shootout at the Mar-a-Lago corral. This is not an assassination attempt. And we had huge influencers, huge podcasters, including Bongino, including Bannon.

literally saying, and I'm not exaggerating when I say the word that they believed that it was an assassination attempt. Now this is, it's so absurd because you're telling me that neither the secret service or the FBI knew that Trump and his family were in New Jersey that morning.

Really? So you have, you have to suspend all intelligence in order to make that, that assertion. And that's what they led with. That's what they went forward with. It's what we call rage porn. was clickbait rage porn to the nth degree. And a major influencer fan, the flames of that by taking and putting little, like three or four little clips out of the search warrant.

Speaker 3 (43:19.0)
clipped them out, didn't publish the whole 16 pages and posted just those three or four little clips that were inflammatory, you know, talking about use of force and, that the FBI operates under in every search warrant, thousands and thousands and thousands of them and made it look like that. This was a special deal where these agents were writing in specifically to

incite a gun battle with the secret service protective detail. And then they were going to overrun them and assassinate Trump, guess. or at least at least sniff, you know, his wife's panties, whatever the case may be.

And you're talking about the search warrant is a cut and paste, right? If I remember correctly, because both you gentlemen, and this is one of the reasons why you guys are such great followers on Twitter at Steve Baker USA at real Steve friend. I remember that morning, Steve friend, you in this. I'm so you two guys are some of the only people that I know who are awake as early as I am. And it's a lonely world.

We have to do perimeter checks waiting on the SWAT team.

That is so good. That is awesome. 3 a.m. alarm clock for me. And I barely make it that far. My brain wakes me up. But you guys, and I'm so grateful, and I mean this sincerely, I'm so grateful for your texts before the show or during the show. My day job producing Pat Gray Unleashed comes on 7 a.m. Eastern on The Blaze. And I remember that morning, Steve Friend, making sure I wasn't gonna fall into the trap of

Speaker 2 (45:01.262)
Hey, this is just a pre-made doc. This verbiage is on every single thing. And so to your point, Steve Baker, it wasn't quite what many were trying to make it seem like it was. Like, my gosh, they're going in guns and blazing to kill Trump and his family.

And that's what I did. I re I went, I went straight to our editor in chief there at the blaze. And I said, I said, we can't let this stand. All right. We either need to address it in an article or we can address it. I'll do it in a, in a, you know, an X thread and I'll post the entire document, the entire search warrant. And the, the, emphasis on that was, and I didn't name names. I didn't, I didn't call out a bungee know or our

or Julie Kelly or, uh, anybody or Bannon. I didn't name any names, but all I did was emphasize that that section of the search warrant is template. It's already pre. Yeah, there's plenty. There's a lot of stuff to fill in. I mean, there's a lot of blinds things that are specific to that event or that warrant. But when it comes to use of force, this is the same language used in every, um, arrest.

template. That's the word I was looking for.

Speaker 3 (46:22.67)
or, you know, execution in the bureau. And, and so this was not something unusual that they concocted so that they could have that, that shoot out at the Mar-a-Lago Corral. And so I, I, I, I got in as much trouble, as the rest of the guys did for taking that side. And it wasn't taking a side. was like, everybody just pulled back for a sec.

You have to dismiss a lot. And the other thing in the, in the not template area of this was that we knew if you had, if they had posted that the influencers had posted or read the entire 16 page document, they would have seen that the FBI and the secret service were already in communication three days in advance before the rate. this wasn't a surprise raid. It was like, I'm seriously.

And I'm giving these guys a lot of grace because I still don't, I still don't agree. And I've always said this. I don't agree that the, you know, the guy should have gone in.

Right, and that's not what we're arguing.

That was the lost opportunity. mean, because they honed in on the rage porn like Steve Baker just said. There was so much to point out there. And look, it's called an FD888. That's the operations plan that goes for any sort of search warrant, arrest warrant. But it is stating the policy that is in effect all the time if you're going to do an interview, if you are doing surveillance, if you're in the office.

Speaker 1 (47:57.6)
If you're home on your couch watching Netflix and you're an agent of the FBI, the exact same Department of Justice use of force policy applies. It's not a kill authorization. It is law enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force when they have the reasonable belief that they threat exists of death or serious bodily injury to themselves or to another person.

And the reason that they put it into the FD888 is that if you get into a shooting, they're going to ask you, when was the last time that you were briefed on the use of force? And that way they can see why they themselves and be like, well, we briefed him that morning. Yeah. Just so he know, just so we were all sure. But the last opportunity specifically to the Mar-a-Lago raid was they treated the president like any other search warrant, which I'm sure they're saying, well, we have equal justice under the law. No, we don't. No, we don't. The president doesn't.

Operated in the same circumstances that anybody in this panel does and there were other elements of it that could have been raised that I tried to bring to the attention of the Julie Kellys of the world and say look This isn't where you need to go where you need to go on it is the fact that the counterintelligence squad from the Washington field office was investigating Donald Trump and they Executed a search warrant in Mar-a-Lago, which is outside of their territory Which if it was just a regular old search warrant because everybody gets treated the same why are they flying in the end?

Why are they flying the hostage rescue team down there? Flying the counterintelligence squad down there when the special agent in charge of the Miami field office at the time, George Pirro, you would think would want his people to do it. I mean, certainly he would want to get involved in that. That's a career sort of operation. But he said, no, could it be because George Pirro had been demoted and sent down to Miami because he

He was compromised, he was demoted because he was caught in a state of undress receiving fellatio from a subordinate in a bureau car. Maybe that could be something you could hang your hat on. Why was the hostage rescue team taken down there? Was it because they were expecting to take fire from the Secret Service? Or is it because they wanted the most squared away tactical team that the FBI has down there because they don't trust their own people to not get into a shooting, so they want to make sure that the tier one asset is down there? There's all these other things that you could do, but they didn't do.

Speaker 1 (50:17.858)
But we're like so derailed from the Brian Auten thing. We bring it back to that, right?

I told you guys at the beginning of the show I should have just walked out of George Hill.

George Hill, fellow Suspendable, retired supervisory intelligence analyst from the FBI, was also with the NSA, United States Marine Corps, United States Navy, 35 years under a polygraph, top secret clearance, okay? Extremely scared away, brought forward a whistleblower allegation to the weaponization committee, to Jim Jordan, actually for the weaponization committee, but gave a sit down deposition to them, provided them with information that the Bank of America,

provided a list to the FBI, unsolicited, no subpoena, no search warrant, a list of all of their clients who were in and around the capital region on January 6th, 2021, and also had used a Bank of America product that day, and also had used a Bank of America debit card, credit card to buy a firearm, and handed it over to the FBI. That's George Held. And when he was talking, that's primarily what he was discussing with

Jim Jordan, and all the other congressional representatives. And then at one point he mentioned Stephen Jensen, who we talked about before, being the warlord of the January 6th investigation. And he said Stephen Jensen was giving these twice daily briefings in the immediate aftermath of January 6th and was very excited about it and had remarked at some point that all the people were GD terrorists. And then we started going into the op, very much like we did with Mar-a-Lago.

Speaker 1 (51:52.654)
where we said it was a kill order and we're going to talk about that. And anybody who disputes that needs to be dismissed because they're really a secret fed, which is what Julie Kelly said about me and my friends. Tell that to Garretta Boyle, who has been suspended for 941 days without a paycheck.

by the way, Steve, Steve, I, I, I, this crossed my mind earlier when you were talking about, know, employment opportunities. Have you thought about, know, becoming a CHS real?

Yeah, some of them make like you hope high six figures. yeah, I know I know well unlike the CNN worries about former feds I'm not gonna hand over sensitive information to the Russians. So that's kind of out of play here So George Hill tells in that immediately we pivot to Stephen Jensen doesn't use profanity That's how we know that George Hill is not reliable

Was not reliable was not in dispute is facts and evidence that Stephen Jensen right now We have too many Steve's Stephen Jensen was promoted to the a dick of the Washington field office That is beyond dispute, but we pivoted away from that to he doesn't use naughty language So that was the op that went on there and compared George Hill he's you have to doubt everything that he's brought forward which is all substantiated by evidence and We're more concerned about George Hill than Brian Alton

who self deployed as an analyst, not an agent, to Europe in furtherance of the Russia Gate scandal.

Speaker 3 (53:19.854)
Yeah. Guy who's a former sailor who cusses like a sailor. Yeah. That's, that, that should, uh, discount any, anything else that he brings forward or says about any case if he uses profanity on that. Yeah. That, that, was, but that was the same thing, but this is what we went from Mar-a-Lago to this situation with Jensen. And the thing that the thing that the players, right. But the thing that shocks me.

Retire.

Speaker 3 (53:47.278)
And I feel bad for, I mean, feel worse for, you know, the, the rest of the guys, the, the suspendables, the actual whistleblowers who have sacrificed in order to bring the information and bring, uh, and shine a light on the, the, you know, the failings of any government agency for that matter. But the, but the reality, the reality is, um,

to see how the same people who defended them, who said to them, we will make you whole. These were public statements that they were going to make them whole. And now they have turned on them completely. Just simply because we saw this one, are we asked this one question and said, wait a minute, you're promoting this guy. Why? And all they had to do.

Is just tell us why, you know, just tell it. If you've got to, if there's a, if there's a reason for this, just tell us because not a single one of you would have supported this promotion. Three months ago, six months ago, a year ago, you would have been screaming bloody murder from every platform that you appear on.

Just so the motto of the FBI is fidelity, bravery, integrity. It's now changed to just trust me, bro.

Speaker 3 (55:20.248)
Don't and don't and don't attack my friends for us just saying what you're saying. Cause that, know, even that, even that has come up today, just in the last 24 hours is that, now the guys are being, blamed for, criticizing Longino for his passwords. No, we're just playing his statements that he's made in the past.

I'm a big fan of what he said. I'm a proponent of it. I put my reputation out there as a public advocate on behalf of Cashmetele and Dan Bagino to get the positions they do. I want those things to happen. They're not happening and I'm being told to just trust me, bro, but we're not in a timeline now where we can afford to be patient.

So you obviously have friends on the inside, Steve, that I'm sure you're in communication with. Is there anything that you're hearing from those on the inside of the FBI that are working every day in the J. Hoover building that should give us reason to think, hang in there, it's going to get better. Trust me, bro. Like, is there anything that we could have some hope for here?

So from inside headquarters, I'm hearing that some things are moving in a positive direction at the speed of government, which means we'll see you next decade. And then I'm hearing from the field that nothing has changed in their day-to-day operations at all. Morale is back through the floor, except for the communists that are entrenched there and ensconced there because they have the momentum.

They have all the momentum and most federal workers lick their finger, put it in the air, see where the wind is going because they have to protect their job. And they will back whoever has the momentum. And at this point it is the James Dennehy's of the world, the people who felt comfortable walking outside and applauding a guy who was forced to resign after rejecting a directive from the attorney general of the United States of America and the FBI director. And other guys have been promoted. Other people, the Brian Driscoll.

Speaker 1 (57:31.96)
who was the accidental acting director after Christopher Wray left before Cash Patel was appointed to become the director of the FBI, Ryan Driscoll, who was ordered to hand over the list of everybody who had worked on January 6th and said, no. He was not only not removed as acting director, not only sent back or even demoted, not fired, he's been promoted again. Now he's an assistant director.

way back, several, conversation points earlier, Steve friend was talking about, know, this idea of they seem to be wanting to, you know, went over the hearts and the minds of the enemy, you know, like we did in Afghanistan, that that was the, that was the, the war plan inside the FBI as well. and, you know, that suddenly after winning them over, these people would suddenly offer their fealty to the constitution and to their, their oath. And.

no, the vast majority of them only have fealty to their paycheck and then getting in their years for their, government pension. That's ultimately what it is. And so they're going to whoever they're answering to. and of course nobody's been replaced yet. So they're answering to the same people as Steve pointed out, they're answering to the same, Marxist and cultural Marxist that they were answering to before. And.

That's the one thing that we were promised was going to happen is that that decapitation strategy was going to happen and they were going to be removed and it's not happening and they're not telling us why they're just saying, trust the plan or he said, trust me, bro. And that's what the most, that's what's most frustrating for those of us who have been rooting for Bongino and rooting for Cash Patel and who have actually had relationships with them to some level.

I've never had a deep relationship with either of them, but I've spoken to both of them. Bongino used to highlight my work. He won't mention me anymore since the Mar-a-Lago thing. and Cash Patel, I was introduced to him by our, our big boss. mean, Glenn Beck himself introduced me to cash and said, and I had a, I had a new investigative piece that had just come out that morning. And he said, Glenn said, go, go, go print off your article real quick.

Speaker 3 (59:57.186)
Come bring it over here. And he introduced me to cash and cash. And I exchanged phone numbers right there. And then we ended up having some conversations, but, I doubt he would take my call today because he certainly has to be aware that I'm doing my job as a journalist. I'm just saying.

What's up, man? Just tell us it's, not that hard. Don't, don't come out and do a press car or don't, don't send your number two man out for five days in a row with a just trust me, bro. Follow the plan tweet. Cause that's all we got. Once the, once the Jensen controversy erupted, that's all we got for days on end. Trust me, bro.

Heheh...

Cool. It sure as hell is. And I keep reshuffling the order of my questions now because you guys keep, you make this point. I'm like, I want to talk about this. So let's just stay in that vein of business as usual. And maybe this isn't as big of a red flag, but I think it says something.

frustrating you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14.464)
And I'm referring to Steve friend's American radicals podcast yesterday, where you went through all of these press releases, these publicly available press releases under the new regime. And in this, I'm sure it's been going on for where the FBI, takes credit for local law enforcement accomplishments and just.

They just write up a little blurb, a little press release, and they find some threat. mean, some of the federal connections are laughable to make them fall under, I guess, any sort of purview of the FBI. But I guess, let's see here. Just give us a thumbnail sketch, because I want people to check out episode 201 of American Radicals podcast and get the full story on all of these.

But just give us a thumbnail as to some of these stories that you highlighted. Tell us what happened in Greenville, South Carolina.

Fentanyl distributor sentenced to 11 years in prison. So we have an armed person who was dealing Fentanyl, which we're assured that was like a quarter of a million Americans died from last year. So looked into that one, again, according to the documents. And I got my notes here. Let's see. yeah, that's right. He robbed a convenience store. In common vernacular, the colloquialism for convenience store in cop jargon is a stop and rob. So he...

Robbed the stop and rob for 1,500 bucks in 2023. And then he got into a pursuit with local deputies. He winds up getting away and then gets arrested four months later at a state by another police department. And when they arrest him, they find counterfeit oxycodone pills in his possession. So armed robbery, a months later, arrested on that warrant by another police department. And the FBI adopts it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13.192)
and takes it because he went across state lines. used it as a year and a half old.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29.794)
Judge Boasberg sentenced him. The politically correct title of the DOJ, and this is the Pam Bondi DOJ, was that a protester was sentenced in damaging US government property at Union Station following a protest rally. So a rioter rioted. And he winds up taking down a flag, spray painting Hamas on a statue, gets arrested. It's all on camera, all on social media. Judge Boasberg, of course, handles it.

and sentences him to a misdemeanor 10 days in jail when he, I think did more than Steve Baker, and Steve was facing far more significant amount of time than that.

Right, that's yes. my gosh. Okay.

Well, I'm going to tell you right now that day on a daily basis, and this has been going on for, you know, well over a year or two. Anyway, my, my favorite tweets to read every day are coming from Mr. Steve friend on this exact topic. mean,

devoted my entire social media presence of that. That's why I make the big bucks, gents.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35.214)
There you go. That'll probably actually highlight those probably are insuring your

28 bucks. Limited rates. Referring to what exactly, Steve Fred?

I'm like Elon, he's letting the cash flow.

Yeah.

We got that's another deep dive. We got to do on the X algorithm Okay, I love the story out of Boston Steve friend that you highlighted on episode 201 of the American radicals podcast Tell us how that became a federal case

Speaker 1 (01:05:06.091)
The moped guy?

Speaker 1 (01:05:10.54)
guy who's driving a moped, speeding and he doesn't have a license plate because it's probably, he probably doesn't think that he has to have it for a street vehicle, right? So police light them up, blue lights, and he tries to run one of the cops over. He winds up laying the moped down and fighting with the cops. And when they fight with them, they find a gun on him. mean, was, want to limit the danger here. he, top could have been run down by a moped, armed criminal, but he's apprehended then.

It sounds like a local case.

Yeah, well, but he's a prohibited person. U18, United States Code 922G, it lays out the people who are prohibited from having a firearm, and he fits that standard. So ergo, they charge him with having an illegal weapon, and they claim that the title was, Boston Man Pleads Guilty to Federal Firearms Events.

And of course the FBI puts out the press release and makes it look like, they're hard at work stopping all these bad guys. And it was nothing but a, okay, Rhode Island bank robber.

So if you want to do this yourself, go to the FBI Boston X handle because they continually put this stuff out. They're one of my favorite. They're my go-tos. This guy, was robbed a bank and then he got like 2,500 bucks, I think is what he wants up getting. then, so I have here, courting information presented, private citizen follows him out of the bank, gets the license plate.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43.394)
Like an actual brave person reports it. Massachusetts State Police see the vehicle, they pursue it, they throw down the stop spikes to penetrate the tires to make him a wreck. And then they arrest him, like their day of. And it's been on the books for three fiscal years as a bank robbery. Massachusetts State Police handled it that day. Guy's been in custody the entire time and robbing a bank is a federal crime. But my

By purpose at large is to say, what is stopping a Massachusetts state police trooper from walking over to a United States attorney's office and saying, hey, I have a bank robber. Here's the evidence. We pursued him. We got him. We found him with the actual money. Can you charge him? And so they say, no, no, you have to take it to the FBI who does the office space, Tom, and says, you take the physical file and you bring it to the attorneys? Yes, yes, that's what I do. Get paid $135,000 a year to do it too.

Gosh, okay. One last question for you, Steve Friend from yesterday's American Radicals podcast. Explain why is the FBI connected to Iran now?

Well, it sort of shows you what the purpose of all these press releases are. And that's to generate the good PR. They're hoping that you're not going to actually read the press release. Now that one that they put out, and they do it all the time, if we're helping Ukraine fight Russia, then all of a sudden they'll indict a Russian. If there's a problem with China, then we'll indict a Chinese person. So now we're getting ready for World War III. We're going to go fight with Iran. So the FBI put out a very long press release.

They indicted these two Iranians for providing material support to the IRGC and also taking drone technology and providing it to the Iranian government. So we have a counterterrorism angle because of the IRGC and we have a counterintelligence angle because that's proprietary information. And they do this and indict them for it. Meanwhile, they're operating in Iran, Iranian men living in Iran, and will never ever be arrested because they're not going to be extradited to us. But we have

Speaker 1 (01:08:53.652)
untold amounts of manpower and hours, billable hours spent on this so we can get the press release and the FBI can get in on the Iranian conflict.

good stuff.

But, but, but, but, but what did we vote for last November? We didn't vote for any of this. We all had a much bigger picture, a much larger picture. And in fact, we have, you know, reams and reams are miles and miles of recorded, you know, tape. We don't have tape anymore, but you know what I mean? We have, we have, we have gigabytes worth of recordings of the people running the agencies now promising

us what they were going to do and what they were going to set straight. If we gave them their vote and if they got the power and if they were appointed to the heads of these agencies and we're still waiting.

What we're experiencing now is exactly what we convinced ourselves, at least speaking for myself, this time it's different. This time it's gonna be different. if ever it was gonna be different, this is the time. I believe, mean, see, I'm an Atlanta Falcons fan and I know that we'll never win the Super Bowl, but I've made peace with that. And that was before 28 to 3.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20.27)
8 to 3

Before that happened, I knew we would never win the Super Bowl.

You still have a good dirty bird dance, Keith.

I don't know that you want to see me.

Gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32.91)
I was living in Georgia when that was happening.

been 25, 27 seasons ago. I don't know where's Jamal Anderson when you need anyway. um, okay. Uh, and it just feels like, we seriously, have we been fooled again? But we got the people. It wasn't, we got the party in power that we wanted. We got the people, the exact people to run these departments. These were who we were campaigning and tweeting about.

please make this happen. And now it's like, my gosh, is this happening to us? Is this like we assembled the team and really, is this going to happen? yes.

I don't know. Well, Steve friend hit on it by a couple of statements he made earlier. mean, first thing is, you know, rightfully so we see them moving at the speed of government. Well, that's never efficient or at the pace that any of us would want it to happen. But the second and most important thing that he alluded to are much earlier on this discussion is if we're talking about the FBI and we are talking about the FBI today, specifically as an agency, there may be no.

clearer, more better defined government agency than the FBI in terms of its cultish culture. is, it is a, there is a cultishness about that culture at the FBI and it's going to be very, very difficult to break. you just, and so if I'm going to give, if I'm going to give

Speaker 3 (01:12:17.668)
you know, the director and the deputy director, any grace whatsoever, are up against a rightly entrenched cult. And that's going to be tough. Now, Steve friend can speak more to that than I can, but that's what you're up against.

Yeah

Speaker 2 (01:12:33.708)
And I want to set up Steve Friend for this response because I'm going to make another football analogy. It's like the Bill Walsh coaching tree because the last time I had Steve Friend on, we've had him on a couple of three times now to talk about, you know, the absurdities of the FBI. And it's just frustrating as hell that I have you on during this administration talking about the frustrations of the FBI. But one of the things that you said

in one of those episodes, which by the way, all of the deep dives, every episode that I've ever done is pinned in an article at the top of the Twitter feed. Just click on that and find the date. the episodes with Steve, either Steve are awesome. But Steve Friend, said, this really stuck with me, that the J. Edgar Hoover, and by the way, my Calvin Coolidge picture here. I mean, he didn't make many mistakes.

He hired a librarian to be in charge of federal law enforcement. think he was going for a light touch.

But he give us

Speaker 2 (01:13:35.982)
Okay, right. So we're not going to blame Silent Cow on this one. But the point you made in that conversation that has resonated with me is that it's a culture that, in other words, the acolyte of Hoover ended up training the next guy and then the next guy. And so it's this thread that has run for a hundred years now. And then to Steve Baker's point, we're

looking at Cash Patel and Dan Bongino and we're saying, go. And we're three months in and we're like, where are the results? Well, in their defense, they're having to deal with a hundred years of entrenched philosophy and the way things have been done through the Bill Walsh tree, the J. Edgar Hoover tree, right?

Sort of, but there's enormous power that the director, the deputy director have to bring forward immediate change and do the shock and awe. from my personal experience, The Supreme Court case, Navy versus Eagan, set the parameters for members of the intelligence community agencies like the FBI. It essentially says that

those agencies have wide latitude, it's within their discretion, basically just handed them the blank check to issue, to suspend, and to revoke security clearances. Basically for any reason that they want. So that should have been exercised, and the Steven Jensen's of the world on day one should have had their security clearances revoked. We're not firing you, we just have questions about whether or not you're...

Managerial of decisions that were made on January 6 or something that could call into question your loyalty to the United States government in protecting and defending the Constitution We're gonna take that under advisement. We'll get back to you in 941 days Right that should have been done right right to not just a change at the top that should have been done every probationary employee like it's a contract you can be fired for any reason every probationary employee is someone who

Speaker 1 (01:15:51.502)
Applied to be hired by Joe Biden, Merrick Garland, Christopher Wray's FBI within the last two years. Every one of them should have been fired. You can reapply. We don't need cause. You're fired. Those are the things that we would expect from a status quo, shattering, paradigm shifting, sort of new age of leadership. That's what Dan Boggino talked about for years of doing. for him, I mean,

I find it really hard to believe that Dan Bongiito gave up the empire that he had built for himself to go and be the deputy director of the FBI and meet the new boss same as the old boss. There's something there that I don't understand.

I'll tell you, I'll tell you story. this, kind of, it's the reason, the reason why the FBI has gotten by with building the cult and it's because, and then this is largely due to Hoover. mean, very successfully. he was great PR guy, you know, and he was able to, to start with you had the old series. I'm old enough to,

remember very well watching every episode of the Untouchables, know, that, you know, with Robert Stack and that was phenomenal. And then of course, in the sixties, you know, then we had, Ephraim Zemmellis Jr, the FBI, and we had this image of them. more recently we've had the Netflix series, you know, and that was a great portrayal of the FBI, you know, the, the, the, the scientific side of things where they brought actually into the whole, vernacular of serial killer.

And then, my, my only previous encounter with FBI agents was about seven or before my J six experience was about 17 or 18 years ago. one of these guys that, you know, they, they, they professionally go out and they steal domain names, know, URLs, they, they hack your account or whatever, and they steal your domain name. And then they,

Speaker 3 (01:17:56.79)
sell it, know, sell it back to you on a ransom because it's very valuable. Now, obviously if they can, if they can hijack Microsoft's URL, they're going to get a lot of money for it. In my case, the guy, the guy was asking me for, I think it was like 1500 bucks. If I, I, if I, you know, PayPaled him or whatever the exchange platform was at the time, if I sent him 1500 bucks, I'd get my, company, was my music business management company's URL and he'd give it back.

And I told him to F off. And, and so my, just, picked up the phone. I called the sheriff's department, uh, locally, and then they referred it to the FBI. All right. Cause it was a, you know, interstate crime, maybe international. And so, um, the next morning at nine o'clock unannounced, what's I got, I go to the door and there's, this is only 17 or 18 years ago.

And I go to the door and there are two guys that look like they walked right off of the, you know, the 1960s, from Zimbalist junior, playbook of the FBI of the Hoover playbook back then they were, you know, they had the, the, the black coat and ties on the white shirt. everything was immaculately pressed. They showed me their badges and they said, yep. we'd like to, take a look at your and get the,

Uh, cause you've obviously had some email exchanges with this guy who has, you know, stolen your, your domain name and we want to get the, um, what do you call it? The, um, metadata or whatever off of that. And, and, uh, we want to see what's see if we can find this guy. Well, it turned out as soon as they, you know, they went up, they went upstairs to my office and they got on my computer and within minutes they go, oh yeah, we know this guy. Yeah. He's he's in Arizona. We're, close to arresting him anyway. I said, okay. Um,

And it was very professional. now when you get the knock at the door and you look through your people, they look like they're, you know, in a Seattle grunge band. It's not the same anymore, but it's, it's,

Speaker 1 (01:20:04.216)
So that would have been, you know, off, off the hearts and minds, but that would have been a great way to get people to accept the fork is we're going back to gleam grooming standards, no facial hair, wear a suit in the office every day. I think you would have seen, I wasn't there when I, when I came in and certainly I took advantage of it Yeah. I mean, I mean, look, I can't grow facial hair. just stay on the face of the franchise, but I dressed casually.

And it actually has a place look you if you're going to meet with an attorney you're going into court I always suit up But if I was working on an Indian reservation, it didn't make a whole heck of a lot of sense for me to be out there doing that So try to dress There that was more appropriate, but I think that that does I've come around to that at first I was kind of thinking no, it's not appropriate the image of the FBI is the G man

with the suit, mean, it almost should be like a fedora requirement to be out there to do it because of.

That goes back to the, the untouchables, that would see that, but see that is, that was the success that Hoover's FBI had is they, they served us that image of the FBI as not just impeccably dressed, but if you're, if you're, if you look like that, you, you're, you're the good guys. they were, they were so, you know, demonstrably

Dress the part.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34.69)
presented as different from the crooks. And these were the clean cut guys. These are the good guys, the white hat, you know, that's fedora, but you know, these are the guys. If they were, if we go back to the Western days, it wrote in on the white hat, you know, with the white hat on. And, that was the image that we had and they were able to successfully build a culture around that image while they're taking advantage of the fact that people weren't looking close enough at who they really were, especially, you know, once, once the,

especially after the Patriot Act and then accelerated by the Obama administration.

Right, right. You know, one of the things that Steve Friend is constantly saying, and I just think this is such a great idea. If you were the head of the FBI, Steve Friend, that you would disarm the agency and just make it an investigative situation. I mean, that's just simple yet, because then you would hand over, right? Correct me if I'm wrong. You would then hand over the, I guess the

prosecutorial duties to the locals, right?

Speaker 1 (01:22:42.292)
You, this is, this is what I would do. I'm the FBI right now, 14,000 agents outside of the major cities and even in the major cities. And you talk about the, the ratio of agents to people. It's incredibly small 14,000. mean, I worked in offices with like four people. another one had eight people. So the one I had in Daytona had eight agents, four counties, 1 million citizens. Right? So the way you have to augment your manpower is you, you have a relationship with local sheriff's offices, police departments.

And they will give you their person on loan. You'll get a detective. They'll go to the US Marshal. The Marshal will swear them in, deputize them, federal arrest authorities, in addition to the state arrest authorities that they already have. So that relationship, that practice is ongoing. I would enhance that. I would take all of the guns away from the FBI. I would take all the guns away from every single federal law enforcement agency with the exception of a US Marshal for the purpose of courts, prisoners, that sort of thing. And then,

Have those agencies all be unarmed. And if they want to do investigative work, they can do that investigative work. Partner with the locals who you've already deputized with federal arrest authority. So if you're going to go and interview someone, you don't want to walk in without a gun if they're a suspect, Well, now you have the gun in the room to help you do it. But ultimately, if you're able to, say, do an investigation like a white collar one where you don't even need to talk to a person or cybercrime, you're talking about Steve's case, like, yeah, we got the metadata. We know where it came from. We've identified our person.

Boom, we present it to the sheriff. The sheriff can then go and execute that arrest. The sheriff also has the ability to decline to do that and say, look, I'm not going to go forward with this arrest. Now, in the case I laid out there, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But what would make a lot of sense is if, hey, we've got a case, we've done some metadata, we have the cell phone GPS, we got some surveillance footage. There's this woman and she's sitting outside an abortion clinic praying. We think she's a domestic terrorist. You should go arrest her.

And the sheriff would say, if I do that, I'm going to lose my job in the next election. We're not doing that. So it would incentivize the FBI or whatever the federal law enforcement agency is to actually go after what the sheriff wants them to, which would be the crimes that are afflicting the local area. So ergo, we're assisting our local partners more so at that point. And then Steve and I wouldn't be up at five o'clock in the morning waiting on the SWAT team because there wouldn't be the risk of an FBI SWAT team. wouldn't have

Speaker 3 (01:25:10.562)
Yeah, we wouldn't be up at five o'clock in the morning ready to text you so that Pat, you don't go off on a tangent on something. That's, that's what we're mainly, our focus is at five AM. What Steve said is exactly right. And it's not just the, the lady praying in front of a, an abortion clinic, but if you go back 30 years, there'd be 80, 90 people still alive in Waco, Texas. Had that been the, know, including, you know, busload of children.

they would all be alive today and grown up and had their families of their own. and this is, why I have been advocating. There's two, if there was two things that I could change in government and believe it or not, the Trump administration is basically finally implemented. One of them is that there's two things for years I have, I've advocated. The first all is, I agree with Steve on the disarming of the FBI. They should be, and I've always said we,

We need a federally funded investigative agency because look, the feds can just put enough money into the science side of being an investigative agency that we need that. But that anytime that the evidence is now available to execute an arrest, that needs to be turned over to the local sheriff, local law enforcement, because we need that filter and government's supposed to be local anyway.

And that's why I say we would have had people alive and Waco and families prospering there today had that situation been in effect there. Now, the other thing that I just mentioned momentarily ago was that one thing that the FBI, but the federal government is doing or that the Trump administration is doing, something I've been advocating for decades in terms of immigration, is that they declare the entire border barrier a military base.

Yeah, we're doing the Roosevelt reservation, right?

Speaker 3 (01:27:05.398)
Yeah, because I've been writing about that for two decades probably that that's what needs to happen down there. it's over. The problem is over. It doesn't matter if it's 60 yards or 100 yards or a mile. Declare the entire border a military base. You don't have to hear about this Posse Comitatus crap anymore. Right.

I had never heard of the Roosevelt reservation until Interior Secretary Burgum mentioned that last week. I had never heard of that. Explain what that is. It's California, New Mexico, and Arizona. I'm sorry. California, Arizona, New Mexico that are 60 at the first 60 feet. Okay. Is designated was already federal property. Now we're making it a military base.

60 yards or feet or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56.738)
Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02.7)
That's incredible. That's insane,

solved. I was, and I got in trouble because I, you know, look, when, whenever I talk about, when I ever I talk about Magger TDS and I, you know, I did, I did, and I do support the president, for a lot of reasons, not just because I got a pardon from him, but, but the, I was not a fan of the border wall during his first, you know, presidency, his first administration.

Even when he was campaigning in 2016 on the border wall, guess what I was writing about? was going, no, we don't need to spend 30 or $60 billion on a border wall. We already are spending the money in our department of defense. We already have guys already drawing their paycheck and we're fighting in the desert at this time. You know, we've got, we got troops all over, you know, the middle East and the desert and

What better place to train them than down in, you know, Arizona, New Mexico, Southern California, and the border in Texas. This is perfect. It's perfect for the gear. get to test all in the sand and all of the weather conditions are emulated down there that you get in the, in the middle East. And I've now just, that's what I was saying. Just turn the first, it can be at that time. I didn't know about the 60 feet, 60 yard thing, but I just say it like,

make the first anywhere from 100 yards to a a military base and that won't cost us anything.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37.9)
Yeah, and the whole thing of the just being the three states and not Texas is based on just when Texas came in. And anyway, what you could do is go to the private landowners in Texas. You're going to tell a rancher, hey, we're going to give you fair market value for this easement just so we can protect your property from illegals. You don't think that they would sell?

definitely go 60 foot well, I just wanted to get that settled there. But that is fascinating.

say that 90 % of those ranchers would say, yeah, you want, you want to, want a hundred yards. You want to donate it. Yeah. That won't even. Right. Because, because they're tired of their what's happening to them and, the fact that they are under threat constantly, by the cartels.

Card shoot.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26.753)
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34.491)
Then they'd probably stand up their own like tattoo parlors and car dealerships right along there. It's like that side of stretch of every single military base.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47.148)
That is awesome. Steve Friend, why do we have the FBI looking for pilots?

This is an interesting question. So there's three types of planes that the FBI has, three types of pilots. The field offices, many of them have a pilot in command who flies the Cessna up and around for surveillance purposes. So that's an agent typically. And they only fly for four hours at a time. So it's a pretty plumb assignment. You have the other helicopter pilots.

who work for hostage rescue team. And they tend to be former military pilots, and they come through as an agent most of the time. And then you also have the last stage, which are the larger aircrafts that are maintained in Manassas, Virginia that fly the director's jet, which is actually supposed to be for counterterrorism purposes, for gathering evidence. Or could fly particular personnel.

If there's a major disaster, need to send an evidence response team to it. We'll fly them all down there. Fly overseas with the fly team, does counterterrorism stuff, evidence gathering. But now there's a request for additional pilots. And I can only gather that is for the deputy director, who has a 20-man protective detail and it looks like he's going to have his own plane.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27.086)
Start with the 20 man detail. What's the justification for that?

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me just from a I mean Dan Dan Bongino is not like the typical Deputy director who ascends through the bureau as an 1811 criminal investigator armed agent That has it historically been how it is I mean, they were sort of trending to become like an intel analyst, you know eventually but In 1811 criminal investigator special agent that's an armed person a lot of times they would have a staff of two or three personal aides

So if there was a protection issue, you would think that three guys who are by and large not going into Southeast Washington, DC, right? They're more of doing the administrative managerial stuff relatively safe. But Dan Bongino came in, I would have, if I was him, I would have asked for my 1811 designation back and gotten a gun, but he doesn't have that. He perceives that he's under threat. He has security in his private life before becoming the deputy director.

but and now has put that onus on the FBI to provide. It's a 20 man protective detail from what I understand that is on him and family 24 hours a day. And that's 20 additional agents who are not going to be going to do the investigations or not going to be doing the assistance with ICE with the deportations, not going to be pursuing leads as they come in. It's going to be 20 more people taken away. And that's in addition to the protective detail that Cash Patel has, which I believe is 30 and also Pam Bondi has.

So between the three of them, mean, we're getting close to like almost a full percent of the FBI special agent.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05.378)
Are there, there, there actual justifications? Maybe look, let's talk about vagina, a bungeanoo in particular, because he did arrive at the FBI with a certain amount of celebrity that the typical, deputy director would not arrive with. And, you know, but having said that Rush Limbaugh didn't have a 20 man security detail and he's infinitely larger audience than bungee now.

Uh, certainly Bongino did not have that then, but then, know, look, I do understand that once you, step into government and we are seeing it, we are seeing the attacks from the left. We're seeing the violence, we're seeing the attacks on the Tesla dealerships and people's cars. Um, and, uh, so I, I understand that there might be a reason for that, but it does seem excessive to me.

I agree and I would again we're not privy because we're not they're not opening things up if there is a legitimate threat to life okay it's just justified but it's always been sort of this mismatch of protective details for various principles within the federal government that's always been a head scratcher to me I everybody knows Secret Service they protect the president they protect the vice president why is the FBI standing up its own protective detail that has a different set of training and a different set of protocols

for the FBI director, and then you have protective details that exist for Secretary of State, for all these different cabinet members. mean, even the Supreme Court justices, they get United States Marshals to do protective detail. I'm not for creating new government departments or government agencies, but it seems to me like we should just rearrange the deck chairs here and have like a protective service. And then outside of that, have a uniform way of carrying things.

carry things forward and that way the training is all in included altogether. There's gonna be a continuity, a protocol way of doing things, a best practices way. Right. As opposed to having this just sort of like aggregate way that we do things.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08.194)
That's one of the things that I've written about, you know, particularly with the Capitol police, as it relates to their relationship with Congress is ultimately their protective details and not every Congress member qualifies to have a full-time protective detail or even one person following them around. You have to, you know, ascend to a certain level as a committee chairman or, you know, it's obviously the speaker of the house, things of that nature, the more high profile.

individuals carry a greater security risk and they are given what they designate in the Capitol police. This, protective detail. usually they designate them as special agents. And the problem with that is, that over the years and the decades of the service that these guys on DPD, Dignitary Protection Detail is they witness a lot of improprieties. They witnessed a lot of people getting on Epstein's plane.

All right. And, and they have to travel with them to the island. And I'm using that metaphorically or as an analogy there because that's what's happening on their international travel is they're seeing who goes in and out of the hotel rooms at night. And so they learn all of this and they learn all of this information, which ultimately makes everything move at the speed of government. And you wonder why, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. That guy campaigned on this.

You know, with incredible passion and now he's voting 180 degrees out of phase with his campaign promise.

How are the Capitol Police constitutional? So policing is executive function, right? So the FBI answers to the Department of Justice, which is the Department of the Executive Branch. Same with the US Marshals and the DEA. The Capitol Police answer to Congress, which is a legislative arm. So how are they executing

Speaker 1 (01:38:13.996)
the law there. That seems to me like to be

Well, mean, the Supreme Court has their own police department. They have a very, small police department, but I've been in the Supreme Court and I've seen the chief of police's office, the chief of police of the Supreme Court. Right. And then the Capitol Police are.

He's got a cool challenge coin.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48.906)
As much as we like to disparage them among the suspendables as being, you know, glorified security guards or glorified tour guides, really, because I mean, many of these guys will spend 20 or 30 years as, they, will stay a private for 30 years, 30 years, they'll retire as a private. They never ascend to a Sergeant or a Lieutenant because it's just simply because they don't want the headache. They don't want to take the test. They're making good money. they, don't have to put out any extra effort.

And so they spend their entire career for 30 years going, uh, yes, ma'am, the ladies room is that way. And so, yeah. And, it's not to say that they, cause they, they have a lot of specialty divisions. They've got their own CDU units. They've got their own investigators. They've got their own, uh, uh, counterterrorism, allegedly. They got all these different divisions within, and then they've got their traffic control guys. I've got, know, because they have.

Satellite offices now.

Yeah, yeah. Well, that's another issue. That's another problem down in Tampa for one. But the, the problem, as I said before, the problem with that particular agency is, is that they do in fact answer to Congress. Now of all these investigations I've been doing into the Capitol police for the last four years, guess, guess which law enforcement agency is not subject to FOIA request.

Capitol police. Why they're exempted from Congress, which it's law enforcement agency had no body cams on January 6th. That would be capital police. Why? Because the Congress members don't want to be seen offices in back hallways on body cams. So now they're experimenting with body cams, but it's really just on the peripheral guy. So the guy's working track, you know, the traffic cops, USC.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20.938)
no.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25.791)
no, bruh.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32.172)
Yeah

Speaker 3 (01:40:44.13)
peak traffic cops are now wearing body cams. So, but they're not going to bring those body cams into the building.

is incredible. What a fun fact. And someone who knows the Capitol Police inside and out is you, Steve Baker. And I encourage everyone tuned in here today to check out your professional, I call him the professional liar, Harry Dunn, Capitol Police Officer, J6 involvement. You did a great job with that stuff. And that's at blaztv.com. And of course you write.

extensively at theblaze.com. Why don't they just come back? Nevermind. I'm just trying to why do we have to be spread out? know, I'm going to ask a question of you, Steve friend that I asked my military buddies. And I asked them, I mostly asked them, if I'm being honest, during the Biden administration, knowing everything you know now and the way that the military is, would you?

would you enlist today? And obviously there's a sea change happening over there, it seems. Of course, just before we went live here, there was a, or no, was yesterday, right? I'm sorry. I can't keep up with all my judicial interventions. There's been at least three today, but the one I was referring to was yesterday was the trans thing in the military was stopped. The ban on trans can't go through. Anyway.

Would you rejoin the FBI today? I'm not talking about a Steve friend who has been through what you've been through. I just mean like a 20-something year old Steve friend saying, hey, I want to be a part of the FBI. Would you do that now?

Speaker 1 (01:42:30.456)
So I kind of get asked a similar question when I go to speaking engagements which I do from time to time by young guys and I always answer them with this question. Do you want to have the job or do you want to do the job? If you want to have the job of being the coolest, most interesting person in just about every room you walk into because you're the G-man and you're pulling down 135k,

You have 50 paid days off a year, three paid hours a week to work out and work on your mental wellness. It's a plum assignment. if you, you have to kind of uproot your family, might have to travel to do that, but it's still really, really enticing. But if you want to do actual law enforcement, you're not going to get it in the FBI by and large, a very small subset. The people that work on like Indian reservations kind of have that experience. I uniquely had that experience.

But I have a friend who's another whistleblower, not from the FBI. He was a cop who became an FBI agent, looked around and said he wasn't gonna be able to wind up getting close enough to home any time in his career. So he wound up resigning and becoming an investigator for the state's attorney's office in Connecticut. He was a whistleblower there. But he told me a story about when he was in the FBI, having come from being a police officer, and all the new agents got brought in early in like six o'clock in the morning.

Like they always do, we're gonna go out on a big arrest warrant. And they lined up all the new guys up and an experienced crusty agent comes out and just introduces himself and just going down the line, know, who are you and how do like the job so far? And he said to a man, every single person, it's the best job his dream come true. Love it. Can't wait to be here every single day. He said, he got to me and I go, yeah, it's all right. And the guy paused, looked at him and he goes, you were a cop before.

Because yeah, was, he goes, it's not the same as it. He goes, no, no, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29.868)
Not this one.

There you go. Now, one of the things that we do whenever I have you on Steve Friend to talk about the FBI is just the absurdities. And many of these are documented on your own podcast, American Radicals podcast. But I have to ask you before we go, can you please talk to us about the

The man accused of the day before election day, we've talked about this, the white supremacist plot to blow up a substation.

Which one?

Yeah, I was, you know what? That's why I slowed down because I was thinking election day and when I picked this up, I'm like, wait, the day before the election?

Speaker 1 (01:45:26.632)
So that is so the the one that was related to the election was they tried to Jerry wriggle he was an afghanistan guy, who had a son and agreed to enter into a ruse and the plan ultimately as it was billed to the american people if you read the press release or saw the reporting was that he wanted to blow up polling stations and He had no

Okay.

Capability of doing it no financing to do it. No predisposition to do it. He's just a yet another Victim of the FBI playbook where they find a vulnerable person and groom them and entice them into doing something that they were never Predisposed or capable of ever doing and this is the one of the most fundamental problems that we have with the approach to counterterrorism Because the DOJ you can go to the DOJ the archives

And it, I talked about this on the show today on the American Radicals podcast. It lays out how the DOJ perceives entrapment and obscene behavior on behalf of the government and essentially says it is impossible for us to entrap you. You can't raise that defense because the presumption it turns law enforcement on its head or criminal justice system on its head, photo negative because you are not innocent until proven guilty in a national security context.

You are guilty until you are proven innocent. And as long as it takes us to poke you and prod you and groom you, if in fact you say, okay, fine, I'll go do the thing, it only proves that for the entire time, which could be years, you were always guilty. And that's the justification they use, which is why over 90 % of counterterrorism arrests that the FBI conducts involve someone who was never.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22.328)
predisposed or capable of actually bringing out a violent action. They might have bad ideas. Yeah, but they were never going to do it and that that one there for the election was was tremendously disturbing as our other ones that I've talked about, you know the Skyler Philippi Nashville Skyler Philippi was Retarded he was in communications with a confidential human source

said that he wanted to do a mass shooting at a YMCA. So the confidential human source was in kind of a pickle because that's not a federal crime. What should have happened was report that up and we take that to Nashville PD and they go and engage with that person. But instead, the confidential human source in the employer of the FBI introduced Skyler Philippi to a second confidential human source, who then introduced Skyler Philippi to not one, not two, but three undercover assets for the FBI.

Undercover Perceived to get scathered philippi drunk and then he suddenly miraculously Changed his mind and didn't want to do a mass shooting at a ymca anymore. He wanted to blow up the entire Electrical system for the continental united states of america by taking a 3d printed drone, which he didn't have and kind of taking three pounds of c4 and attaching it to the 3d printed drone, which he didn't have

Listen to this y'all

Speaker 1 (01:48:49.59)
and flying it into a substation in Nashville, Tennessee for the low, price of $150. And when he did that, it would take down all of the electrical systems for the entire continental United States. And he said that he wanted to do it because of the Jews, which made it racially motivated violent extremism, ergo domestic terrorism. Ergo Schuyler Philippi is in federal prison right now.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16.686)
Okay, well two quick things here. Pro tip that Steve has shared multiple times. If someone approaches you, what is it? And they say they could get a crime done for a specific amount and that matches the amount in your checking account.

If they, if they, somebody approaches you and agrees with all your worst ideas. Yeah. And they want to help you bring those to balance for the exact amount of money that you have in your bank account. Bonus points if they're only available Monday through Friday. That's a confidential human source. And I mean, this is new information that you should be aware of and everyone should be aware of. There is now new software that is the software is called Overwatch.

that is being sold to police departments, law enforcement agencies around the country that uses AI to penetrate into online space to communicate with people and can actually go to texting if they need to to encourage them to do their worst ideas and refer those to.

AI entrapment software.

Yes, Wired magazine reported it and that is not a right wing source.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25.762)
That is not a right one. So, so real, real quick before we leave the whole entrapment idea now, Mr. Friend do J six. Is that an entrapment exercise?

now i have to speculate on that

okay.

It is my strong speculation that there was a fair amount of a government arm involved with that, particularly when it comes to the confidential human source, because a CHS, which is the snitch, it's the informant, is not a W-2 employee of the federal government. They are only paid by being productive, and by productive, that means giving fresh meat to the government to go after. People who are engaged in wrong think that they, even though the FBI claims they don't investigate First Amendment protected activity, they do. So we were...

Solicited by the FBI for informants willing to go to January 6 in the lead-up to it so the claim from the Office of Inspector General report was that the FBI said well, we only had 26 undercovers there were there they didn't speak to the the informants right way or no, I'm sorry 26 informants who were there they said we didn't have any undercovers there which is a joke because they misinterpreted the term undercover

Speaker 1 (01:51:37.676)
because the FBI has an official term of undercover employee, UCE, and that was not the question. They said, did you have any undercover people there? It's like, well, no, no, no, UCEs were officially there, but there were people who were there that worked for us that had plain clothes on. So for all intents and purposes, that wasn't undercover.

Yeah, because if they're not UCE and they're just playing close, they don't have to answer any questions about.

No, and they, and then the other avenue of of J six entirely that gets overlooked just because of, think pop culture, everybody thinks FBI, FBI. We have an entire department called department of Homeland security that has 10 times the budget of the FBI and doesn't have the same guard rails as much as they're outside of them. The FBI still does have domestic investigations, operations guide, the attorney general guidelines for domestic investigations, both of those, which are supposed to narrow its abilities to infringe on your rights.

The Department of Homeland Security doesn't have that. And they operate in sources just as well.

Just a few minutes ago Steve friend you you alluded to and I want you to every time you're on I always want you to share this fun fact it's There's a study that that says over 90 % wasn't 96 for what was it?

Speaker 1 (01:52:50.83)
I believe it's 92 % it's from project salam again a far left source right conducted a study in 2014 primarily on Muslim counterterrorism cases And they are just 20 years ahead of the the MAGA on this one right because it started after 9-eleven and they found that it was somewhere in the area of 92 % of the Convictions were for people who were neither predisposed nor capable of actually carrying out a violent action furtherance of their ideology

Right, the domestic terrorism cases, 90 something percent, would not happen without the involvement of the federal government.

and the government only gets involved because the presumption is you were guilty. You were always going to do it.

Yeah, let's not say involvement. Let's say without the assistance.

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Speaker 2 (01:54:04.898)
co-worker of mine over at the Blaze writes incredible articles and produces incredible little mini docs, I guess they would be called, right? Over at blaztv.com. And you should follow both of these gentlemen's work. They're both just fountains of knowledge in their respective areas. And they're great guys. And I'm so grateful knowing both of you. And I appreciate your time today here on the old Thursday deep dive. Thank you so much, gentlemen. And thanks to everyone.

who tuned in. appreciate all of your time. Any final words that you gentlemen would like to share here before we part ways?

Well, speaking of the FBI, my most recent story that came out this week is actually, even though it's features are my favorite target of Dirty Harry Dunn, know, former Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn, who was the, you know, the guy who was proclaimed to have been the hero of January 6th at literally

It is awesome to watch him duck behind between statues and hide from people. And like you said in that mini doc part three thing was, couldn't tell if he was afraid of COVID or the protestors, he was afraid of something that.

Yeah, but he, but you know, despite his infamy, he has been awarded everything he can get. mean, a presidential medal, congressional medal, book deal. He's been said to be the guy who saved the Capitol. He is everything other than that guy. Right. And demonstrably on all manner of video, we're talking about Capitol CCTV videos, DC Metropolitan Police body cams.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45.578)
open source trial videos, all these other things, contradict every single thing that he's ever said and wrote about in his book and testified in trials, which of course is called perjury. so, but, but the interesting thing about the article, since this was an FBI discussion today is, is that my latest article deals with his first two FBI interviews. And, and the big question is, is between his May of 21 interview, when he gave a positive accounting

Of his interaction with the four oath, oath keepers who stood up a line in front of him actually held more agitated protesters back away from him because he was highly disturbed and he was carrying an four automatic weapon. Right? So rifle. So they, they oath keepers, former law enforcement, former military, they recognized a highly volatile situation. They stepped in and deescalated and it's all on video, but

And in his first FBI interview, he acknowledged that. And then sometime between May of 2021 and August of 2021, as they're building the prosecution case, the DOJ is against the oath keepers. They had a real problem with that statement in his first FBI interview and they needed him to come back in so they could clean it up. And that's key is which.

member of DOJ or FBI or what was happening at that particular table that who, who made the decision to bring, done back in and feed him a new script to clean that up. And they not only, they, not only changed his story about his encounter, they actually created an entirely different scenario that took place down in another part of the Capitol in the crypt, which of course,

on video, we were able to prove never happened.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46.402)
tell you, man, there's no justice in this world. Okay, well, I love you both. Thank you for your time today. Thank you, Absolutely. And then hopefully, if you beautiful audience have some time at 3 p.m. Eastern tomorrow, we can hang out here at the Mike Show here on X at Keith Malinak and we can watch some animal videos together. And that'll kind of, maybe that'll help in the week. Anyway.

Gentlemen, thank you so much. Follow everything that they do at realstevefriend at Steve Baker USA. And we will see you all tomorrow. Thanks so much.

Thank you.